USA or WDA? Breed Dynamics In The US - Page 7

"And a lot of UScA members will still participate in GSDCA -WDA events because it will benefit their dog."

This is where you are quite misguided.
Most of the people that belong to UScA have zero use for anything whatsoever involving the GSDCA-WDA.
There simply isn't anything there that you can't do at a UScA event.

For those of you that think the UScA Sieger Show is supporting the whole club somehow, get a clue.
The show produced $24k this year. I got that right from the Show Secretary at UScA Nationals ten days ago in Nashville.
The total income of UScA in 2011 was $369,927. (that is right from the treasurer's report at the 2011 GBM)
Along with this, where is it said that any of the UScA members want to get rid of the Sieger Show or don't want it held???

For those bitching and moaning about club delegates only being able to vote at the GBM and not individual members, this is for a very good reason.
Back when UScA was being formed they understood a major flaw in the individual vote system used by the GSDCA.
When every individual has a vote you end up with a lot of people that want to belong to an organization that don't necesarily participate in any of the events and activities of that organization.
You also end up with a lot of dinosaurs that may not like change as it pertains to the natural progression of the dogs or the activities of the organization. (hmmm, sound like the GSDCA to anyone?)
Even worse, you could end up with a situation where there is a major political battle going on in the organization and let's say one side decides to seek outside help from...hmmmm the GSDCA, and makes a deal with them whereby in exchange for a bunch of GSDCA members joining the UScA and voting a particular way they cede some control of the organization over to the GSDCA members.
(Holy crap! Does this at all sound familiar to any of you WDA members that have been overrun by the GSDCA taking control of your organization, but, don't have a clue as to what to do with it other than destroy it?)
This is prevented in UScA by having to go through a process in order to become a full member (voting) club. 
With club delegates voting you have votes being cast by people who actively participate in the activities of the organization.
This is also the reason that UScA has the rule that clubs must hold an event at least once a year or the club loses full member status.
This is all designed to protect the intent of the organization (and the organization itself) from those who don't participate in its activities.

OGBS
      
                Well said!

@OGBS
No, I am not misguided. I don't want to point fingers and have no desire to trace everyone club affiliations.
It happens more often than you think.
Sometimes people do not practice what they preach.

how do alternate breeds get pissed on by JA? They have their own club trials and organizations.....plus USCA gives them more opportunities to trial....what would an alternate breed gain from GSDCA/WDA?

I still train with people in both organizations....I trial with USCA...2 different animals.

Well OBGS I can think of one thing you couldn't do at a USCA event. And that was get a RECOGNIZED conformation rating for your dog.

While the Schutzhund people were going along thinking everything was great because nothing was changing for them Johannes was hijacking conformation showing in this country.

Only he was judging the male working class and naming the Sieger. Karen Mcintyre was judging females and naming the Siegerin for a couple of years. Really? (In Danbury in 07 she had young dogs 12-18 running in the ring for over an hour because she couldn't decide what she was looking at. German handlers were handing the dogs to the owners and walking away disgusted. It was a humiliation.)

Only problem was they were NOT QUALIFIED to do that. These rating were not recognized as being legitimate by any international organization for that very reason.

Clubs were told when they were trying to book a SV judge for their show that none were available. Yeah, right.

I realize that conformation showing isn't considered very important to USCA and the majority of its members. It was obviously important to Johannes because he wanted to take it over and monopoilze showing and he used the disinterest of the majority members to make that happen and they let him.

So before WDA disgruntled members think USCA is without fault and troubling agendas they should think again They are no savior. Eliminating the JA would be an indication to me at least that they had the interests of the entire breed in mind and not just the subset of people who are interested in dividing GSD enthusiasts.

Maybe conformation people should start their own club and declare that their members not belong to any other GSD organizations in this country so their interests can be served and they can exclude and divide. We can take what is already a sport that has very limited participation in this country and divide that interest even further. Heck, maybe have five or six groups just splinter off start their own organizations and exclude everyone else who doesn't share their narrow interest.

If you say you want to represent the German Shepherd Dog in this country and the versatility of this dog in all areas then "get with that." Move beyond your own bubble, drop the JA which was put into place for the aggrandizement of one individual and only served to divide people within your sport and make room and a place at the table for proponents of both working and show dogs.

I can only begin to imagine the outrage if members of USCA were trialing for judges who were giving them Schutzhund titles that were meaningless. How would you feel after all that time work, money, sacrifice, your title wasn't recognized, wasn't real?  You wouldn't think things were going so great in your organization or that the GSD dog sport was in such good hands.

OGBS....brilliant!

I,m a UScA member and I could give a rats ass if the Germans recognized my Conformation placing I would of Kore classed my Fiest except she went EPI. I will do all the ring work with Cruise as soon as he is titled and able.  

Talk about being in a bubble! Thanks,Bob. You just helped make my point. What about some "big picture thinking." Maybe it's not just about you and what you care about.

seenitb4:

                    I,m glad I could help. None of my dogs will ever go to Germany unless it,s thru the RSV2000. The only reason I will do the show side is to support the orginization I belong to. I prefer to see the dog and read about him latter. Again the JA by % hurt few people. Let the GSDCA-WDA just put on more trialing opportunities for there members and problem solved.

If you go to a show and know that it,s not a S.V. judge(if thats your goal) then dumb on you for showing.  

seenitb4 wrote:

"Well OBGS I can think of one thing you couldn't do at a USCA event. And that was get a RECOGNIZED conformation rating for your dog"



 This is a incorrect statement, If you go to a UScA event with a SV judge then the rating IS recognized, same as WDA.