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by crhuerta on 04 October 2010 - 12:10
You have confused my intent of communication with you, with the need of approval from you.
Let me correct that misconception....your "approval" holds no value for me.
I am also completely assured that the Police K9 handlers, training facility, instructors & breeders of the numerous certified working K9s...are also not in any personal conflict in regards to your "approval" or expertise.
I have chosen to humour myself with open Internet communication with you......that is all.
After over 30 yrs of owning, training & handling dogs for the Police depts of Illinois....I'm sure that the professionals at this facility will learn from your "valuable insight"...
You may have your pedestal back to rant to others who care to listen and debate....I'll join the others who simply shake our heads or have a beer & laugh.
Have an insightful day!
The dogs were purchased.
by viperk9 on 04 October 2010 - 13:10
What these dogs are learning in this video is called a systematic search. The dog must smell everywhere the handler directs them, pointing out many small things to smell along the way and the dog may not move forward until he has smelled where the handler has directed. It is obvious in both videos that both dogs show odor recognition very earl in the search but considering that this is an exercise in obedience as well the dogs are taught to continue searching everything until they come upon the exact source of odor.
There is much much more to the training of a successful police k9 than hunt drive. The dogs must also have strong mental, emotional and enviromental soundness among many other qualities. High drive does not equal a good k9. A well balanced dog and a good trainer make a good k9. I would gladly put either of these dogs up against any dog that you consider and excellent working police k9, and I would absolutely put my money on either of these 2. Perhaps they show a little less flash in the work but that is their training, what they do show is accuracey and consistency in all situations regardless or the obstacles and distractions they face.
Of course I expect you to dismiss my statements as uneducated and argumentative and again you are entitled to your opinion. I am much more than a nice guy, thank you. I am an educated, experienced, accomplished and well-respected trainer. I am confident in my abilities and the abilities of the dogs I train. I love these dogs as I do all the dogs I have trained and owned, working lines and show lines alike.
Respectfully,
Jody Turcotte
by Carlin on 04 October 2010 - 16:10
Many have suggested that it has become nothing more than a formality to obtain a sch1,sch2, or sch3 title, and that though not all, but the majority of SL breeders hide behind these "titles" in order to maintain that the dogs they produce are capable of the "work" the breed was created for. I enjoy dog shows because I love dogs; I can appreciate a beautiful flying side gait. I would NEVER own one, because IMO, if I'm going to feed and house you, you had better bring more to the table than a pretty face. Just don't try and sell me on the fact that the dog that you have bred for generations, for the specific purpose of winning a beauty pageant, is the dog most viable to work.
by Prager on 04 October 2010 - 16:10
Prager Hans
http://www.alpinek9.com
by Ibrahim on 04 October 2010 - 17:10
I salute you for your breeding work, you are a pride to beautiful sound true GSDs lovers. Do keep the good breeding.
And please do produce more such dogs.
Ibrahim
by Jeff Oehlsen on 04 October 2010 - 18:10
You don't think I understand ? Let me make it simple for you. I think you flat out lied. I have little problems understanding, however, maybe the term straw man arguement went over your head.
So here is what I am saying in simple english. You will lie, and make false statements to TRY and prove a point.
You also cannot argue for shit. The first thing you weirdos do on this forum when someone puts you back in your place is to start telling them the are crazy, or cracked. Pretty pathetic.
QUOTE: As for the things that you have not seen does not mean they do not exist, or, that they are a fabrication. I have no further comment to make to someone who is so narrow minded.
This is mostly because I have been kicking the shit out of your feeble arguments. You do realize that you are getting the shit kicked out of you in this thread by me, right ?
by Jeff Oehlsen on 04 October 2010 - 18:10
Are you high ? Have you just not seen what a dog that does drug work with actual hunt drive looks like ? I am serious when I say that the dogs are not good. I am not trying to make fun of show lines, they do a great job of that themselves. When you go out and actually get some experience with what "drive" looks like, there is no way that you would argue with me.
Drug work itself is pathetically easy. I found it amusing when the whole careful search bullshit was being tossed at me. Like I have never ever done drug work or search work before. Dogs don't even have to pay attention for fucks sake to find drugs. Then there was the amateur statement that pot smells more than coke. Coke still stinks. GO to a police dept that uses towels and take a whiff of the coke towel. THat shit stinks, and if you had ever done more than bla bla bla, you would know this. Guns stink, ever smell cleaning gear ? It stinks. But somehow, here on dipshit database these are all super cool and really hard things for a dog to do. Except that it isn't, you dipshits just have no clue what you are talking about and are rambling out of the side of your neck.
Quote: CRHuerta is compeletly correct. Viper k9 still want this statement to stand about how correct CRhuerta is ?
Quote: It saddens me to meet the trainers out there who simply look for an body to fit and order, an easy fix that can be made to look good through manipulation of drives to cover up lack of actual training in a short time span.
What the fuck is wrong with you ? Why in THE FUCK would you write this ? You actually sound like you want a piece of shit to work with, as opposed to a dog that actually works.
Here, obviously I am not getting through to you, watch this video. Maybe it will help, I just cannot type to keep up with the silliness of your post right now. I will come back later and goof on you.
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?...in;contentBody
by Ibrahim on 04 October 2010 - 18:10
Again I salute Robin, she deserves respect and she is cool.
Ibrahim
by glbtrottr on 04 October 2010 - 19:10
Damned, I hate to see this go on - cool people in my world fighting over preferences.
Jeff, you train in Mondio, have been training decoys a long while, and while we haven't met, your postings in "that other forum" place you in my book as one good dude.
Carlos, you're one honorable dude. I *have* met you. You and your wife work your *arses* off breeding and training dogs in Illinois back when I was very early in the world of dog. Sadly, you have worked for a breeder who had "spent $2.5M dollars" on a "show dog world class facility" that my "shit dogs" shouldn't have darkened with their shadow because they weren't good Schutzhund dogs...let alone world qualifiers or 8 time SchH3 / IPO winners each. I remember those people being hypocritical enough to complain about the "Mexicans in the Rodeo" next door "robbing people's cars" all while gleefully taking advantage of a hardworking Hispanic trainer - I guess neither of us looked Hispanic enough to care...I hate hypocritical racists, but try not to hold it against the showline dogs they breed. You're a good dude, Carlos...even if you like showline dogs :) And a hardworking helper. I don't recall anything but good experiences with you at more than one club in Illinois.
Damned, I have an ugly dog. OK, I have a beautiful dog to some. or two. His head is huge. Is he beautiful? - he's a garden variety half Czech hald DDR black shepherd, with working lines back, croup, and gait. His hair is coarse like a lot of livestock, not fluffy and light; when he races off like a bullet, his gallop is low and hard...hardly pretty. His teeth are entirely white from raw - he's not a graceful eater. He crunches chicken thighs in 2-3 bites; he loves to "break" bones he gets, unlike his sister who enjoys gnawing and sucking marrow. He's a doer - some dogs are happy, he's simply content, unlike his sister who's a ray of sunshine. You could see glee in his face when he bites into that bone and it finally gives. Some decoys love to brag about the hard bites they took from him; others decline; wish we would train our dogs without that, and that's why I'm donning the suit now. His heel isn't pretty - but he now stays close on the defense of handler as he should. He also isn't much of a growler / barker; some think it's pretty to see a dog in full aggression / defense; he's a good boy who does his job well. He will literally give his last breath working if you asked, passed out from exhaustion, leaving it all on the field. Throw the ball a hundred times...he will work as hard as he can. Ugly dog :) I remember some showline dogs in that same first kennels in Illinois I mentioned...passing out from heat exhaustion, at the hands of "experienced trainers". If only we all bred for working traits and had decent people breeding and training across the board.
Honestly, I can't wait to breed both of them to appropriate dogs. We waited longer than we wanted to, but picked dogs and pedigrees that work that will also produce great traits. For us, the choice is working dogs. Yup, they're not Mali's. Somewhere we wish we owned Mali's or liked them enough. Yup, they're faster sometimes. Yup, they dominate the sport. For now, we have Shepherds, and while we do, we'll do the best we can to improve the breed...as a true working line dog...in Ringsport :) Oh - and there was a showline dog in our most recent trial who won his first leg of a MR1 - you never know what happens.:)
by Jeff Oehlsen on 04 October 2010 - 19:10
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