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by gsdDanny01 on 27 July 2012 - 14:07
TOS #6
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by gsdDanny01 on 27 July 2012 - 14:07
Also this was sent from his own e-mail , not his USCA e-mail, Why is that ?
by Dobermannman on 27 July 2012 - 15:07
Tim,
It makes a BIG difference if you're talking about a renewal or an application. If your membership lapsed then you have no RIGHT to join UScA. If you attempted to renew in time? Then you have certain rights as a UScA member to a BOI or appeal etc which is it? You're not wanted in UScA for whatever reason. Join one of the other eighteen AWDF member clubs and show what you've got on the trial field. You're wasting your time and energy trying to force your way into a club that doesn 't want you IMO. You may have a legitimate complaint but your tactics SUCK and you risk alienating people that are otherwise neutral or even sympathic?
You're presented your side of the story and people will make their own decisions based on all the information.
The horse is DEAD quit beating it and go train your dog :-)
How about titling Ayla/Karma?
Thomas Barriano
Dubheasa Germania (11/05/99-08/11/08) SchH III M R Brevet AKC WD III AWD 1 STP 1 CD WAC TT
Ascomannis Jago (06/20/03) SchH III AKC WD III AWD I TT WAC
Belatucadrus (08/14/05) DS BH TT MR I
Flannchadh von der Bavarianburg (5/21/08) TT IPO I STP I
It makes a BIG difference if you're talking about a renewal or an application. If your membership lapsed then you have no RIGHT to join UScA. If you attempted to renew in time? Then you have certain rights as a UScA member to a BOI or appeal etc which is it? You're not wanted in UScA for whatever reason. Join one of the other eighteen AWDF member clubs and show what you've got on the trial field. You're wasting your time and energy trying to force your way into a club that doesn 't want you IMO. You may have a legitimate complaint but your tactics SUCK and you risk alienating people that are otherwise neutral or even sympathic?
You're presented your side of the story and people will make their own decisions based on all the information.
The horse is DEAD quit beating it and go train your dog :-)
How about titling Ayla/Karma?
Thomas Barriano
Dubheasa Germania (11/05/99-08/11/08) SchH III M R Brevet AKC WD III AWD 1 STP 1 CD WAC TT
Ascomannis Jago (06/20/03) SchH III AKC WD III AWD I TT WAC
Belatucadrus (08/14/05) DS BH TT MR I
Flannchadh von der Bavarianburg (5/21/08) TT IPO I STP I
by Dobermannman on 27 July 2012 - 15:07
Tim,
Dude WTF is with the "contact my attorney" nonsense? Like I said you do NOT have a RIGHT to join UScA (Or any other dog club. If you let your membership lapse then you screwed up. Move on!
Empty threats and attacks on other people isn't helping your cause.
Thomas Barriano
Dude WTF is with the "contact my attorney" nonsense? Like I said you do NOT have a RIGHT to join UScA (Or any other dog club. If you let your membership lapse then you screwed up. Move on!
Empty threats and attacks on other people isn't helping your cause.
Thomas Barriano
by gsdDanny01 on 27 July 2012 - 15:07
Thomas Barriano
This is from Lyle Not ME .... He is the one who brought up attorney in the frist e-mail he sent me .. So its him who made the contact my attorney" nonsense: Not me
TOS #6
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post members’ private information including name, address, phone number, email address, emails, private messages or contact employers of members.
This is from Lyle Not ME .... He is the one who brought up attorney in the frist e-mail he sent me .. So its him who made the contact my attorney" nonsense: Not me
TOS #6
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post members’ private information including name, address, phone number, email address, emails, private messages or contact employers of members.
by Bob McKown on 27 July 2012 - 15:07
maywood:
Believe me when I say this, your opinopn of me does not keep me up at nite. These threads of rightous indegnation and out rage for being picked on and discreminated are a complete deversion from any resulution of the situation. Vidoes of dogs,houses,kennels,training ect... are useless anyone can slant any of it to fit there story line all the people involved in this know what the issues were are and what needs to be rectified to repair it.
Opinions are like assh_les everyone has one. You don,t help your situation by pleading out on the internet. You work it out which has yet to be done there is the easy way. Whine and complain and do noting to help your self The hard(but probably best way) Put your head down and make a example of change for the better.
So all the posts in the world won,t do any thing to help eleveate the situation. The ball is in Tim,s court He has to make the first positive move.
If I wantted to make a impression of real change and were in that situation the way seems real clear to me.
This is my last post on this subject. It,s really a simple thing to fix even Thomas suggestion is a great one. This is not brain surgery.
by Dobermannman on 27 July 2012 - 16:07
Tim
Previously you posted
Now you claim
"This is from Lyle Not ME .... He is the one who brought up attorney in the frist e-mail he sent me .. So its him who made the contact my attorney" nonsense: Not me"
Which is it? ..............That was a rhetorical question.
It doesn't really matter. You can't force your way into UScA membership. IF your membership expired you lost your rights to a BOI or any kind of appeal. Involving lawyers and petitions isn't helping your cause.
You may have some legitimate compliaints but you're your own worse enemy with all the melodrama and threats and attacking other people. I've got dogs to train and don't have time to spend on PDB drama.
Thomas Barriano
Previously you posted
"No offense but I asked you to supply me with the name of your attorney and their contact information before you asked me."
Now you claim
"This is from Lyle Not ME .... He is the one who brought up attorney in the frist e-mail he sent me .. So its him who made the contact my attorney" nonsense: Not me"
Which is it? ..............That was a rhetorical question.
It doesn't really matter. You can't force your way into UScA membership. IF your membership expired you lost your rights to a BOI or any kind of appeal. Involving lawyers and petitions isn't helping your cause.
You may have some legitimate compliaints but you're your own worse enemy with all the melodrama and threats and attacking other people. I've got dogs to train and don't have time to spend on PDB drama.
Thomas Barriano
by maywood on 27 July 2012 - 16:07
Seems to me Bob, if you're so connected and on top of what is going on I would like to see you try listing for us definitively all the things you think this guy has done that merits his USCA membership being denied. That's not asking too much I don't think. But so far you can't or haven't, in any post in this thread or any other thread concerning Tim Helser, been able to provide anything definitive on this subject. But yet you continue to talk shit with no proof whatsoever. Everybody check out this thread and pay close attention to Bob’s posts (http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/forum.read?mnr=149302&pagen=2). Even in this thread nobody really says what this guy has done that is so wrong. Surely you must have good reason to feel this way. Please list for us the top 5 things you think he has done wrong. If you have more than that, by all means keep going.
At the end of the day I have no horse in this race so I have nothing to gain or lose. So far it appears to me the USCA President makes his own personal decisions on who can be in the club and who can’t. I find this very disturbing on many levels. I mean after all this is supposed to be America where democracy rules all forms of organization. So far I have seen no indication where a group of people in a democratic way raised their hands and voted against Tim Helser’s membership being renewed. No documentation as to why, where and when which is standard practice throughout America and the rest of the free world. Tim Helser is at least owed an explanation as to why his membership was denied.
At the end of the day I have no horse in this race so I have nothing to gain or lose. So far it appears to me the USCA President makes his own personal decisions on who can be in the club and who can’t. I find this very disturbing on many levels. I mean after all this is supposed to be America where democracy rules all forms of organization. So far I have seen no indication where a group of people in a democratic way raised their hands and voted against Tim Helser’s membership being renewed. No documentation as to why, where and when which is standard practice throughout America and the rest of the free world. Tim Helser is at least owed an explanation as to why his membership was denied.
by Betty on 27 July 2012 - 16:07
I am not a fan of USCA and their politics but they have every right in the world to deny membership. They are a private club and to the best of my knowledge do not accept any kind of public funds.
Just like when we have any kind of training or dog event on property I own, I reserve the right to deny access to anyone I see fit too. No vote, no reason necessary.
Much smaller scale but same principle I think...
My understanding of the rules (and someone please correct me if I'm wrong) is that is a member feels that the rules are not being followed they have the right to file BOI charges which I think would include decisions made by a National Officer. Think it would be a waste of money because I really do think that this decision is in the realm of powers granted to the President, but if a member disagrees they do have that option......
I have never heard of USCA denying a membership application before so this is not something they do willy nilly.
Just like when we have any kind of training or dog event on property I own, I reserve the right to deny access to anyone I see fit too. No vote, no reason necessary.
Much smaller scale but same principle I think...
My understanding of the rules (and someone please correct me if I'm wrong) is that is a member feels that the rules are not being followed they have the right to file BOI charges which I think would include decisions made by a National Officer. Think it would be a waste of money because I really do think that this decision is in the realm of powers granted to the President, but if a member disagrees they do have that option......
I have never heard of USCA denying a membership application before so this is not something they do willy nilly.
by ShelleyR on 29 July 2012 - 01:07
Trust me maywood. You do not want to see that list, and you sure don't want to see the pix that accompany it. I may never get
a couple of them out of my head.
a couple of them out of my head.
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