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by mfh27 on 01 April 2011 - 21:04
Jenni,
What is it biochemically that makes raw better than kibble? That is what I want to know. What are the essential vitamins, minerals, proteins, fats, and glucose sources that a dog gets from raw that it doesn't receive from a quality kibble? What kind of studies show raw is better (measured in longevity, skin/coat condition, disease rate? etc)? I think answering those questions would help the skeptics.
Your Italian beef and fries is not a balanced diet, high in fat; which is why you don't' feel as good physically after it.
To answer the OP:
Robby was fed some awful Costco puppy chow at Jeans. His ears were up at 6 weeks, and stood completely on their own (without bending or flopping) at 13 weeks. He was completely on kibble at that age. I now alternate raw and TOTW kibble eod but don't see a difference.
Robby's litter at 6 weeks. Robby is second from the left.
13 weeks old
Addy was weaned on to raw and I continued raw until recently. His ears stood at 10 weeks but weren't firm until 17 weeks. He was larger than Robby when I got him from the breeder, but the breeder had everyone looking a little chunky. Now Addy is growing at the same rate.
Addy's litter at 6 weeks. Addy is on the right.
13 weeks
17 Weeks
What is it biochemically that makes raw better than kibble? That is what I want to know. What are the essential vitamins, minerals, proteins, fats, and glucose sources that a dog gets from raw that it doesn't receive from a quality kibble? What kind of studies show raw is better (measured in longevity, skin/coat condition, disease rate? etc)? I think answering those questions would help the skeptics.
Your Italian beef and fries is not a balanced diet, high in fat; which is why you don't' feel as good physically after it.
To answer the OP:
Robby was fed some awful Costco puppy chow at Jeans. His ears were up at 6 weeks, and stood completely on their own (without bending or flopping) at 13 weeks. He was completely on kibble at that age. I now alternate raw and TOTW kibble eod but don't see a difference.
Robby's litter at 6 weeks. Robby is second from the left.
13 weeks old
Addy was weaned on to raw and I continued raw until recently. His ears stood at 10 weeks but weren't firm until 17 weeks. He was larger than Robby when I got him from the breeder, but the breeder had everyone looking a little chunky. Now Addy is growing at the same rate.
Addy's litter at 6 weeks. Addy is on the right.
13 weeks
17 Weeks
by Red Sable on 01 April 2011 - 23:04
Kibble is lacking enzymes. Enzymes help the body digest the food. All bodies are born with a certain amount of enzymes, however, when you eat food that is dead(cooked) your body pulls from your bones or organs enzymes in order to digest the food.
Without enzymes we are more prone to cancers and other diseases. That is the most beneficial thing about raw.
For dog or human.
But I think there is more to all of this.
My daughters mother in law is an animal lover who totally adheres to what the vet says. She feeds their food, and gets ALL her pets inoculated regularly for what ever the vet suggest is the going vaccination. (to protect her little furbabies.)
Welll, she lost her cat at age 7 last year, her dog at age 8 last year and her other cat just a week ago at age 9 ALL due to cancer.
Another friend of mine had 2 cats live till they were 18, both of them. So I asked her what her secret was. These cats came and went, were fed low quality cat food (but snacked on mice-which is obviously some raw) whenever, and were not vaccinated except for rabies.
Without enzymes we are more prone to cancers and other diseases. That is the most beneficial thing about raw.
For dog or human.
But I think there is more to all of this.
My daughters mother in law is an animal lover who totally adheres to what the vet says. She feeds their food, and gets ALL her pets inoculated regularly for what ever the vet suggest is the going vaccination. (to protect her little furbabies.)
Welll, she lost her cat at age 7 last year, her dog at age 8 last year and her other cat just a week ago at age 9 ALL due to cancer.
Another friend of mine had 2 cats live till they were 18, both of them. So I asked her what her secret was. These cats came and went, were fed low quality cat food (but snacked on mice-which is obviously some raw) whenever, and were not vaccinated except for rabies.
by mfh27 on 02 April 2011 - 00:04
Red Sable, are you being serious or is this your april fools joke? Are you talking about humans or dogs? What enzymes do kibble lack? What do the enzymes do that the dog/humans body cant? What exogenous edible enzymes help prevent disease and cancer?
A friends grandfather smoked a pack of ciggys a day for 70 years and died healthy in a car crash at age 97. Therefore cigarettes don't cause cancer folks.
A friends grandfather smoked a pack of ciggys a day for 70 years and died healthy in a car crash at age 97. Therefore cigarettes don't cause cancer folks.
by Jenni78 on 02 April 2011 - 00:04
Michele, you misread what I said. I said I feel "fine" after weeks of eating Italian beef and fries for lunch every day. No complaints at all. And damn, it tastes good. I just feel somehow "better" after eating well for a month or so.
It's not the ingredients themselves, it's as RS said, the condition of them and bioavailability. The food at Jean's is not that crappy. Now, if you said she fed Ol Roy, then ok. But she does add some raw into their meals when she makes her "puppy gruel" and the food has a high meat content anyhow. Far better than average commercial food, anyway.
What I fail to see is how someone can doubt that fresh food is better than chemically processed, extruded, nearly incinerated, dog food.
I don't see why you need "proof" of this.
RS, that sucks. I hear stuff like that all the time. What I find mind-boggling is that these people STILL don't second-guess their vets. That is NOT coincidence!
It's not the ingredients themselves, it's as RS said, the condition of them and bioavailability. The food at Jean's is not that crappy. Now, if you said she fed Ol Roy, then ok. But she does add some raw into their meals when she makes her "puppy gruel" and the food has a high meat content anyhow. Far better than average commercial food, anyway.
What I fail to see is how someone can doubt that fresh food is better than chemically processed, extruded, nearly incinerated, dog food.
I don't see why you need "proof" of this.
RS, that sucks. I hear stuff like that all the time. What I find mind-boggling is that these people STILL don't second-guess their vets. That is NOT coincidence!
by mfh27 on 02 April 2011 - 00:04
Jenni, she must have changed her puppy feeding regime, thats not what Robby was on as a pup.
I am not asking if raw is better. I agree that it makes logical sense that it is better. My question is, how much better? We need proof that is it "x" amount better because you say it is better. The burden of proof is in your hands.
I am not asking if raw is better. I agree that it makes logical sense that it is better. My question is, how much better? We need proof that is it "x" amount better because you say it is better. The burden of proof is in your hands.
by Ryanhaus on 02 April 2011 - 01:04
Genetics does play a major role in how long your life expectancy will be, or just how healthy
you will be throughout your life.
That probably goes for dogs as well.
I drink raw milk, it has probiotics that I believe are cooked out of pasteurized milk, the farmer where
I buy my raw milk from calls store bought milk "flavored water" just think about it, they cook all the healthy enzymes and vitamins out of the milk, then they try & put them back, but they can only replace the vitamins.
http://www.raw-milk-facts.com/raw_milk_health_benefits.html
My dogs are drinking raw goat's milk.
you will be throughout your life.
That probably goes for dogs as well.
I drink raw milk, it has probiotics that I believe are cooked out of pasteurized milk, the farmer where
I buy my raw milk from calls store bought milk "flavored water" just think about it, they cook all the healthy enzymes and vitamins out of the milk, then they try & put them back, but they can only replace the vitamins.
http://www.raw-milk-facts.com/raw_milk_health_benefits.html
My dogs are drinking raw goat's milk.
by Siantha on 02 April 2011 - 01:04
yep my kids eat top quality kibble with raw once a week. my Mastiff who was severe in dysplasia lived to 9 we had to put him down because he could no longer get up and i my self cannot pick up a 200 lb mastiff when im only 130 XD it took 4 of us to get him into the car because he couldent jump. but this may seem odd but we have a poodle ( i hate him) who is 18 years old and has bin fed olroy dog food his entire life no raw nothing. now he does have cateracs he cant relly hear and he is toothless but he had bad teeth at 4 and cateracs at 3 < bad breeding IMO that little sucker chases my german shepherds around the house. and even if a dog dosent have teeth their bite still hurts XDXD
by mfh27 on 02 April 2011 - 01:04
Interesting article mirasmom. I don't think I'll be switching to raw milk anytime soon...maybe if I get a cow.
The enzymes it list, amalase, phosphatase, lactase (minus lactose intolleraten people), and lipase are all made in the body, hence not exogenous. The article says , they are beneficial because of the "burden they take off our body". What burden? The burden to produce our own enzymes? Enzyme production doesn't burden the body. Its a natural process.
The enzymes it list, amalase, phosphatase, lactase (minus lactose intolleraten people), and lipase are all made in the body, hence not exogenous. The article says , they are beneficial because of the "burden they take off our body". What burden? The burden to produce our own enzymes? Enzyme production doesn't burden the body. Its a natural process.
by Siantha on 02 April 2011 - 02:04
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Hay the last photos in this are of my litter they where too big to upload on here. and also jenn or someone else who breeds. there is a picture of my babies belly just after she came home from her ultrasound lol i have never once till now had a vet razor burn a dog. they even nicked one of her nipples it was bleeding -.-
OOO and PS. the Blue Collared light boy is the one shown on the first page. this is him at 3 days and 10 days.
Hay the last photos in this are of my litter they where too big to upload on here. and also jenn or someone else who breeds. there is a picture of my babies belly just after she came home from her ultrasound lol i have never once till now had a vet razor burn a dog. they even nicked one of her nipples it was bleeding -.-
OOO and PS. the Blue Collared light boy is the one shown on the first page. this is him at 3 days and 10 days.
by autobahn on 02 April 2011 - 03:04
Shelly could your head be any farther up Tracy's behind?
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