The meaning of ¿Watching your Dog¿ during training. - Page 7

Hunger,
You are way off base. I never told Jean that I was Jenni's boyfriend, nor, have I ever told anyone that! (Never, Never, Never)
I do own Elba at the suggestion of Jenni that I call Jean because she was looking for a home for Elba upon her retirement from breeding.
I have never taken any credit for any of her titles or her training before I owned her.
I have never taken a picture of Jenni and the only pictures that I have ever sent Jean that could have had Jenni in them may have been a picture that I took with Jenni's camera when we re-united Caleb and Elba after Elba came to Chicago. Jenni then emailed some of them to me and I forwarded a few to Jean.
As for me saying that Jenni had a "heart of gold" that was over three years ago in reference to a dog that she took in that was going to possibly be euthanized because the owner couldn't find a home for him.
(I guess I'll have to go to hell for saying something nice about someone)

Concerning Norbo dieing at the airport when I picked him up that is correct.
Anyone who knows me can attest to that being one of the worst days of my life.
As for me paying Jean for the dog, first it is none of anyone's business other than Jean and myself. Second she told me I didn't have to. Third, I have found other ways to try to pay her back by finding someone for her to breed with to replace the lost bloodline, recommeding that people buy dogs from her, linking her web site on mine as someone to buy a dog from, and helping her find people to train some of her dogs. And, most importantly of all, telling anyone who asks what a completely nice and honest person Jean is.
As for me not owning a working line dog before Elba, first, who cares, second, my first working line dog, who just happened to die of old age, I owned 6 years before I had Elba, so, is there a point to this?
As for telling Jenni she was beautiful, I did say that to her. Right after she had subtlety said to me how she wasn't feeling very pretty anymore. Big deal! I grew up with four sisters, my Dad taught me to be nice to women, especially when they say things like that. I even explained to her why I said that and she thanked me. Again, is there a problem with being nice to people?

As for the barrage of misinformation being sent in emails and messages behind the scenes, just further proof of how hard you have to work to try to prove something that isn't there.

Mod, Not that I have anything to hide, but, I do believe that Hunger violated TOS #6 by posting my name and other personal information on here.

Pirate's Lair,
Sorry about all this!
Keep posting your videos when you want to.
Education of others, in my opinion, is maybe the most important thing that one can do where dogs are concerned.

OGBS - Life Happens, no worries my friend


Kim

Pirates Lair said:

"The purpose of this thread was to illustrate (in video) the importance of “watching your dog”.

As a Handler in Detection/Dual Purpose/PPD I hear these words “watch your dog” used as a catch phrase over and over.

Watching your dog is an Art Form in my opinion, and it applies to many situations. Obedience, Tracking, Protection Work etc."
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Hi Kim:  I agree 100%, reading/watching your dog is of the utmost importance and probably the hardest thing for new handlers to learn how to do, regardless of whether they are involved in sport, ppd or law enforcement.

       Pirate said....."Watching your dog is an Art Form in my opinion, and it applies to many situations. Obedience, Tracking, Protection Work etc." 

   
       Sue said...." I agree 100%, reading/watching your dog is of the utmost importance and probably the hardest thing for new handlers to learn how to do, regardless of whether they are involved in sport, ppd or law enforcement".


                        Truer words have never been spoken.....: )




             Deanna...: )
          

I agree that learning to watch your dog is a critical part of training. First you have to learn how to watch a dog.  Which is done by watching other handlers dogs, listening and asking questions.  Reading a dog is even more important for training helpers.  If you do not know how to watch or read your dog you are missing a key component in training and progressing.

Kyle

Watching/reading are they not one in the same? 

Bodylanguage and eyes, understanding what the dog is thinking and will do before he does it?

yes .. a canine , especially in pers.  protection needs to be under the handler's control at all times .. what is not understood or clear about that .. the video showing safety  to protect a bite in the face was a nice lesson to show >>> BUT ... what about giving  an :out" command and the dog immediately ceasing ?? no differenty than a police officer sending the dog and calling it off the bite at the last second ?? YES? !! -- the dog should be under voice control ..100% control at ALL times .. what don't you understand ?? - ok that's a small  poin in the thread but important nonetheless !!t ... .. in another video i see a dog deployed because a man is attacking a car ... first for novices sake [ and mnay read this foorum threads to learn]  IMO the whole scenario and explanation should be explained before a world wide demo takes place ... no one knows from what i saw if that dog just jumped on it's own out the window , i heard no command , nor an explanation the dog was trained to automatically engage which changes the context of the exercise ..IMO [ and this exercise in done in PSA] - no one should train that exercise for the fun of it .. why .. beacuse the connotation of that being good protection has some serious consequences .. : what happens if someone trained that with their dog , then one day a kid walked by the car very close and the dog engaged ???...   someone entering the vehicle .. that's a different context ... one better fully understanding what they are watching and all the consequences/ especially the legalities !!.........  NO!! no dog is to make a decision on it's own !! the dog contrary to the comment ' intelligent decision' on this thread,  isnNeevr  to undertake any action unless given direction verbal / non-verbal from the handler OR  the exercise is taught such that the dog ** has been taught to  to AUTMATICALLY WITHOUT COMMAND to  respond with a specific action in a given context !! Not to mention ... ??  you would deploy onto a person a dog that has the ability to possibly kill or permanently mame someone for life  because he is beating on your car ?? what happens if someone in real life walked by the car , slipped and hit the car hard real hard [ can happen here in the winter with all the ice we have- and sometimes it does  ] ??.... now self control , the clip with the dog in a down at heel with agitation off leash [ even though it was a second at the begining of a video] showed good control by the dog- nice handling byh the man ..  ... BUT .. then i see a video of a lady [ and not as intentoion on her as a person , just a  training  critique] fires a gun  repeatedly.  but this dog exhibits no self control NOR is the handling exemplary . WHY .. first the dog is fired  up at the end of the leash- totallu 'turned on '..  .. why is it not " turned Off" .. doesn't matter who or what is agitationing ..   .. the dog to me shows no self control ..certainly not calm , cool , and collected , nor pensive!! the handler only controls the dog via a leash .. not impressive by my standards for a world wide forum ..nor for others to watch .. [ many epolpe from different walks come to this forum , that is why i said a would blast ]  Also ... you should never ever fire a gun with the dog in a inapropriate position .. a proper position would be for the dog to be in front of you in a down postion where the dog cannot get hurt by the gun's percussion  or a sit beside you .in  either position the dog can't  jump up in excitement and get shot. that's enough feedback --there again a critque on  the training /demo..  now .. no need for me to post a video .. either you value my comments or not ..by businees is not your dogs,

Alphapup - with all due respect I think your missing the point of the video entirely, having said that I do not think there is anything I could say, which I have not already said in order for you to understand.

Continue to train the way you feel comfortable, and we will continue to train they way we feel comfortable.

Have a good night

Kim

Alpha,
I would venture to say that the people who train for these exercises have an understanding of the responsibilities that come with these dogs.  Speaking for myself I have a good situational awareness with my dog who is trained in PSA exercises.  New folks who train at our club seem to learn this as well.  Outside of the trainng field I have never heard of acidental bites with these dogs.  Only well deserved bites of dogs who protected then thay were doing their job.

On the other hand I have heard of tons of acidental bites from non bite trained dogs.