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by charlie319 on 09 July 2010 - 13:07
Jeff:
Contrary to you, the OP is not an accomplished genius at training and trialing. He has to start somewhere. Another option might be: http://www.trainperview.com/dog-training-videos/default.aspx?action=showCategory&id=6 but it seemed less broad than Leerburg's option. Then again, you may have your own line of training videos and seminars... BTW, I'm familiar with some of Ed Frawley's history, but not as much as you appear to be.
Cops typically don't train their K-9's. They handle them, as most are purchased already pre-trained for narcotics detection, explosives detection, or patrol. Often this is a decision of economic factors, as the handler can be trained in a shorter time after the dog has been trained than if he attended the training with a green-dog. Bottom line, K-9 officers also undergo a few weeks of training to handle their dog.
By the sounds of his original post, the OP is looking for a dog to protect him at work, not to do sport. Do not underestimate the power of cash over a breeder's bottom line. I'm sure that there are many cases of a buyer buying a dog of excellent WL pedigree only to end up giving up on the dog because it is "a bit much"... Not the dog's fault, mostly the buyer and seller allowed their judgement to be clouded by ego and money.
Given the commercial environment in the WL's breeding business, and the previously stated protection needs of the OP for a dog, what would you say are the chances of a novice buyer, like our OP, getting stuck with either a "shitter" or a "Nerve-bag" from your average WL's breeder?
Contrary to you, the OP is not an accomplished genius at training and trialing. He has to start somewhere. Another option might be: http://www.trainperview.com/dog-training-videos/default.aspx?action=showCategory&id=6 but it seemed less broad than Leerburg's option. Then again, you may have your own line of training videos and seminars... BTW, I'm familiar with some of Ed Frawley's history, but not as much as you appear to be.
Cops typically don't train their K-9's. They handle them, as most are purchased already pre-trained for narcotics detection, explosives detection, or patrol. Often this is a decision of economic factors, as the handler can be trained in a shorter time after the dog has been trained than if he attended the training with a green-dog. Bottom line, K-9 officers also undergo a few weeks of training to handle their dog.
By the sounds of his original post, the OP is looking for a dog to protect him at work, not to do sport. Do not underestimate the power of cash over a breeder's bottom line. I'm sure that there are many cases of a buyer buying a dog of excellent WL pedigree only to end up giving up on the dog because it is "a bit much"... Not the dog's fault, mostly the buyer and seller allowed their judgement to be clouded by ego and money.
Given the commercial environment in the WL's breeding business, and the previously stated protection needs of the OP for a dog, what would you say are the chances of a novice buyer, like our OP, getting stuck with either a "shitter" or a "Nerve-bag" from your average WL's breeder?
by Slamdunc on 09 July 2010 - 13:07
This has turned into a very funny thread. Thanks for the laughs.
Jim
Jim
by Slamdunc on 09 July 2010 - 20:07
Charlie,
I was going to let all off this go and not comment further, but I couldn't not respond.
You are very off on this point:
Cops typically don't train their K-9's. They handle them, as most are purchased already pre-trained for narcotics detection, explosives detection, or patrol. Often this is a decision of economic factors, as the handler can be trained in a shorter time after the dog has been trained than if he attended the training with a green-dog. Bottom line, K-9 officers also undergo a few weeks of training to handle their dog.
That is a very incorrect statement, at least where I work and all of the neighboring PD's with dogs that we train with. Probably about 75 or so K9 teams. We train and certify our own dogs, we constantly train our dogs and maintain their training. We go through a 4 to 5 month school with green dogs and they are trained while in the K9 school. I do not know of any PD's that buy trained dogs. As a matter of fact we avoid trained dogs and prefer green dogs. There are many reasons for this. Perhaps where you are they do something different. We have our own training facilities, with agility / obstacle courses, buildings, vehicles etc.
Jeff, has no clue about Police K9's and how they work or how to train them. He has enough trouble training his own dog. But, he talks a great game from behind his keyboard. The comments are funny though.
FWIW,
Jim
I was going to let all off this go and not comment further, but I couldn't not respond.
You are very off on this point:
Cops typically don't train their K-9's. They handle them, as most are purchased already pre-trained for narcotics detection, explosives detection, or patrol. Often this is a decision of economic factors, as the handler can be trained in a shorter time after the dog has been trained than if he attended the training with a green-dog. Bottom line, K-9 officers also undergo a few weeks of training to handle their dog.
That is a very incorrect statement, at least where I work and all of the neighboring PD's with dogs that we train with. Probably about 75 or so K9 teams. We train and certify our own dogs, we constantly train our dogs and maintain their training. We go through a 4 to 5 month school with green dogs and they are trained while in the K9 school. I do not know of any PD's that buy trained dogs. As a matter of fact we avoid trained dogs and prefer green dogs. There are many reasons for this. Perhaps where you are they do something different. We have our own training facilities, with agility / obstacle courses, buildings, vehicles etc.
Jeff, has no clue about Police K9's and how they work or how to train them. He has enough trouble training his own dog. But, he talks a great game from behind his keyboard. The comments are funny though.
FWIW,
Jim
by Jeff Oehlsen on 10 July 2010 - 04:07
How many times do you need to get run off before you figure out that your "k9" bs is just that.
Never occurred to you that the myth you wish to perpetuate about "k9" training is getting busted.
Funny, you never showed any vids of your work when asked. I show everything, good and bad, while you hide behind YOUR computer.
Loser, go hand out parking tickets.
Never occurred to you that the myth you wish to perpetuate about "k9" training is getting busted.
Funny, you never showed any vids of your work when asked. I show everything, good and bad, while you hide behind YOUR computer.
Loser, go hand out parking tickets.
by Slamdunc on 10 July 2010 - 05:07
Jeff,
Welcome back. Once I learn to upload videos I'll add some to youtube just for you. BTW, I saw a video of you teaching (cough) trying to teach a young mali to jump over a jump. You were working with a sleeve and trying to catch the dog and entice it over the jump. I must say the only thing worse then you getting that dog over the jump were your decoy skills. IMHO, that was not good training at all. The technique for jumping and the decoying were amateur at best.
You are the one that brought up cops with dogs on this thread then Charlie added his statement. Since, neither of you are correct I figured I'd give some accurate information for those that may read this.
Funny, you never showed any vids of your work when asked. I show everything, good and bad, while you hide behind YOUR computer.
More BS, because you don't have any good video to show, you do show the bad though. I don't think you are smart enough to realize it's all bad. And I don't recall ever being asked to show video, I'll get some for you though, no worries. I will put up a video of my dogs OB and we can have people compare it to your Mondio Nationals OB routine.
My invitation is open come out and train with us for an evening, we'll see how you and your dog do. How's that gunfire problem working out by the way? Are you able to correct that temperament issue, or are you just going to wash the dog out and get a new one? That is your normal advice on this thread with people who have less than perfect dogs right? So, to use your words "did you get rid of that shitter yet?" Or are you still wasting time with that dog? I can tell you that a dog that is that gunshy would be washed out for a K9. But, you know that already. I'm sure the dog is fine for a sport like MR.
Jeff, just so you know I never knock peoples training, just rude, arrogant, know it all jack asses like you. I assume you can take the knocks, based on how much you dish out. My pet peeve is obnoxious jerks with mediocre ability and little talent who think they are god's gift to dog training that insult others on a regular basis. If you would learn to to think before you opened your mouth you might not come off as such a colossal prick all the time.
Trust me you are not running any one off anything. The only thing you run is your mouth. You have a battleship for a mouth and a rowboat for an ass.
Did you ever post that resume? Or do your videos speak for themselves????LMAO
waiting anxiously for your witty retort,
Jim
BTW, One last thing you have this signature line on the bottom of your posts:
We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm."
Please change it to: "Jeff Oehlsen sleeps soundly in his bed because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do him harm."
I was actually PM'd by a tier one DOD K9 guy that read your posts and was offended that you have that on your threads. I think it's kinda funny, that you have that as your signature line. Who are you protecting at night, who are you protecting people from that would do them harm? Really doesn't fit you now does it?
Welcome back. Once I learn to upload videos I'll add some to youtube just for you. BTW, I saw a video of you teaching (cough) trying to teach a young mali to jump over a jump. You were working with a sleeve and trying to catch the dog and entice it over the jump. I must say the only thing worse then you getting that dog over the jump were your decoy skills. IMHO, that was not good training at all. The technique for jumping and the decoying were amateur at best.
You are the one that brought up cops with dogs on this thread then Charlie added his statement. Since, neither of you are correct I figured I'd give some accurate information for those that may read this.
Funny, you never showed any vids of your work when asked. I show everything, good and bad, while you hide behind YOUR computer.
More BS, because you don't have any good video to show, you do show the bad though. I don't think you are smart enough to realize it's all bad. And I don't recall ever being asked to show video, I'll get some for you though, no worries. I will put up a video of my dogs OB and we can have people compare it to your Mondio Nationals OB routine.
My invitation is open come out and train with us for an evening, we'll see how you and your dog do. How's that gunfire problem working out by the way? Are you able to correct that temperament issue, or are you just going to wash the dog out and get a new one? That is your normal advice on this thread with people who have less than perfect dogs right? So, to use your words "did you get rid of that shitter yet?" Or are you still wasting time with that dog? I can tell you that a dog that is that gunshy would be washed out for a K9. But, you know that already. I'm sure the dog is fine for a sport like MR.
Jeff, just so you know I never knock peoples training, just rude, arrogant, know it all jack asses like you. I assume you can take the knocks, based on how much you dish out. My pet peeve is obnoxious jerks with mediocre ability and little talent who think they are god's gift to dog training that insult others on a regular basis. If you would learn to to think before you opened your mouth you might not come off as such a colossal prick all the time.
Trust me you are not running any one off anything. The only thing you run is your mouth. You have a battleship for a mouth and a rowboat for an ass.
Did you ever post that resume? Or do your videos speak for themselves????LMAO
waiting anxiously for your witty retort,
Jim
BTW, One last thing you have this signature line on the bottom of your posts:
We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm."
Please change it to: "Jeff Oehlsen sleeps soundly in his bed because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do him harm."
I was actually PM'd by a tier one DOD K9 guy that read your posts and was offended that you have that on your threads. I think it's kinda funny, that you have that as your signature line. Who are you protecting at night, who are you protecting people from that would do them harm? Really doesn't fit you now does it?
by Jeff Oehlsen on 10 July 2010 - 07:07
I bet you get emotional when you write out a traffic ticket. I think I will have fun with you again.
Quote : Since, neither of you are correct I figured I'd give some accurate information for those that may read this.
Sure you will.
Quote: I was actually PM'd by a tier one DOD K9 guy that read your posts and was offended that you have that on your threads. I think it's kinda funny, that you have that as your signature line. Who are you protecting at night, who are you protecting people from that would do them harm? Really doesn't fit you now does it?
Sure you were. You probably actually believe you are protecting people, now don't you. Gets you all hard and motivated. We all know better. Thousand upon thousands of examples of how your main purpose is to control the population, not protect it. People get robbed and hurt all the time, and cops show up for the aftermath. I guess you never figured that out, now did you ? I bet that since it was a "tier one" dod K9 guy, you were just so happy !! What a thrill he talked to YOU !
Quote: And I don't recall ever being asked to show video, I'll get some for you though, no worries. I will put up a video of my dogs OB and we can have people compare it to your Mondio Nationals OB routine.
So you are going to go to the Nationals and video your routine ? Or is it going to be in your own training area ? Gonna fly your dog in ?? LOL I was there competing, and you are here flapping your mouth. I just don't see how your OB in the backyard video is gonna cut it. There are trials in your area, since your dog is a K9, he should be able to do all of that no problem, right ??
Quote: BTW, I saw a video of you teaching (cough) trying to teach a young mali to jump through a window jump.
Where is this video of a dog jumping through a window ?? I would have thought if it was so bad you would have posted a link to it. What a coup that would have been for you ! However, because it was a hurdle, and not a window jump, it becomes obvious that you are so angry that you cannot see what is going on in front of you. Why don't you calm yourself down with a nice ticket book ? You could feel the power that you have in your hands, visualize yourself giving a ticket, see the helpless look on their face, oooooooo I bet you are just shivering now.
So by cough trying to teach the dog, you are implying what ?? That she didn't do the jump ? LOL
Quote: My invitation is open come out and train with us for an evening, we'll see how you and your dog do.
Sure, I will just drive right on over. I get bored, and you are something to poke at with a stick, not to actually hang out with. Get your dog and compete and we will see what is up. Other than that, you are just a mouth flapper.
Quote : Since, neither of you are correct I figured I'd give some accurate information for those that may read this.
Sure you will.
Quote: I was actually PM'd by a tier one DOD K9 guy that read your posts and was offended that you have that on your threads. I think it's kinda funny, that you have that as your signature line. Who are you protecting at night, who are you protecting people from that would do them harm? Really doesn't fit you now does it?
Sure you were. You probably actually believe you are protecting people, now don't you. Gets you all hard and motivated. We all know better. Thousand upon thousands of examples of how your main purpose is to control the population, not protect it. People get robbed and hurt all the time, and cops show up for the aftermath. I guess you never figured that out, now did you ? I bet that since it was a "tier one" dod K9 guy, you were just so happy !! What a thrill he talked to YOU !
Quote: And I don't recall ever being asked to show video, I'll get some for you though, no worries. I will put up a video of my dogs OB and we can have people compare it to your Mondio Nationals OB routine.
So you are going to go to the Nationals and video your routine ? Or is it going to be in your own training area ? Gonna fly your dog in ?? LOL I was there competing, and you are here flapping your mouth. I just don't see how your OB in the backyard video is gonna cut it. There are trials in your area, since your dog is a K9, he should be able to do all of that no problem, right ??
Quote: BTW, I saw a video of you teaching (cough) trying to teach a young mali to jump through a window jump.
Where is this video of a dog jumping through a window ?? I would have thought if it was so bad you would have posted a link to it. What a coup that would have been for you ! However, because it was a hurdle, and not a window jump, it becomes obvious that you are so angry that you cannot see what is going on in front of you. Why don't you calm yourself down with a nice ticket book ? You could feel the power that you have in your hands, visualize yourself giving a ticket, see the helpless look on their face, oooooooo I bet you are just shivering now.
So by cough trying to teach the dog, you are implying what ?? That she didn't do the jump ? LOL
Quote: My invitation is open come out and train with us for an evening, we'll see how you and your dog do.
Sure, I will just drive right on over. I get bored, and you are something to poke at with a stick, not to actually hang out with. Get your dog and compete and we will see what is up. Other than that, you are just a mouth flapper.
by Slamdunc on 10 July 2010 - 13:07
Jeff,
I edited my post to correct it to jump and not window, after I wrote it. I went back and watched the video again as it had been a while since I saw it. Another of your fans PM'd me the link of the video of you "training" the dog to jump. After I posted and I went to the WDF and saw some of your other videos. Window jump or plain jump, it was funny to watch. I can post the link if you'd like.
So you are going to go to the Nationals and video your routine ? Or is it going to be in your own training area ? Gonna fly your dog in ?? LOL I was there competing, and you are here flapping your mouth. I just don't see how your OB in the backyard video is gonna cut it. There are trials in your area, since your dog is a K9, he should be able to do all of that no problem, right ??
Nope, not going to the Mondio Nationals. However, from watching your videos MR doesn't seem all that difficult. I couldn't screw it up any worse in a trial than you have and you are an expert and professional.
I have no desire to do Mondio and I don't do sport competitions with my current dog. Not allowed by my PD. I raised this dog from a 7 week old pup, donated him to my PD to use as my K9. Part of the deal was no more SchH and no more sport competitions with him . I gave them a dog worth over $10,000 and I can't compete any more with him, I guess I didn't structure the best deal. But, he's the dog I wanted and you can't negotiate with some organizations. It enabled them to retire my buddies Mali and buy him a new dog. So, in effect our K9 unit got 3 new dogs for the price of two.
I have my eye on a couple of large Police K9 competitions, one being the World Police and Fire games next year in NY. A very big event, second only in attendance to the summer Olympics. Is that good enough for you? Handlers from all over the world will be competing. You should enter and show off your skills. Sorry, forgot it's for true working dogs and their K9 handlers. Too bad you would do so well against us inept K9 guys with our poor handling skills and crappy dogs.
I expected a little more from you, your response was disappointing.
One question I have is why can't you get a blank gun? They are cheap and readily available. You mentioned your dog broke under gunfire because you have no access to a blank gun to train. Is there some reason you can't have a firearm or carry ammunition? Just wondering?
Jim
The ticket book analogy was funny once, however I don't write tickets.
I edited my post to correct it to jump and not window, after I wrote it. I went back and watched the video again as it had been a while since I saw it. Another of your fans PM'd me the link of the video of you "training" the dog to jump. After I posted and I went to the WDF and saw some of your other videos. Window jump or plain jump, it was funny to watch. I can post the link if you'd like.
So you are going to go to the Nationals and video your routine ? Or is it going to be in your own training area ? Gonna fly your dog in ?? LOL I was there competing, and you are here flapping your mouth. I just don't see how your OB in the backyard video is gonna cut it. There are trials in your area, since your dog is a K9, he should be able to do all of that no problem, right ??
Nope, not going to the Mondio Nationals. However, from watching your videos MR doesn't seem all that difficult. I couldn't screw it up any worse in a trial than you have and you are an expert and professional.
I have no desire to do Mondio and I don't do sport competitions with my current dog. Not allowed by my PD. I raised this dog from a 7 week old pup, donated him to my PD to use as my K9. Part of the deal was no more SchH and no more sport competitions with him . I gave them a dog worth over $10,000 and I can't compete any more with him, I guess I didn't structure the best deal. But, he's the dog I wanted and you can't negotiate with some organizations. It enabled them to retire my buddies Mali and buy him a new dog. So, in effect our K9 unit got 3 new dogs for the price of two.
I have my eye on a couple of large Police K9 competitions, one being the World Police and Fire games next year in NY. A very big event, second only in attendance to the summer Olympics. Is that good enough for you? Handlers from all over the world will be competing. You should enter and show off your skills. Sorry, forgot it's for true working dogs and their K9 handlers. Too bad you would do so well against us inept K9 guys with our poor handling skills and crappy dogs.
I expected a little more from you, your response was disappointing.
One question I have is why can't you get a blank gun? They are cheap and readily available. You mentioned your dog broke under gunfire because you have no access to a blank gun to train. Is there some reason you can't have a firearm or carry ammunition? Just wondering?
Jim
The ticket book analogy was funny once, however I don't write tickets.
by Jeff Oehlsen on 10 July 2010 - 18:07
Quote: Nope, not going to the Mondio Nationals. However, from watching your videos MR doesn't seem all that difficult. I couldn't screw it up any worse in a trial than you have and you are an expert and professional.
Well until you do, all you have is hot air . Maybe you should learn a little more before you correct the "expert"
Quote:
I have no desire to do Mondio and I don't do sport competitions with my current dog.
Cause you are gonna get your ass handed to you. I wonder how bad your dog would melt when you went for the control needed to do sport ?? I have seen many many "K9" dogs melt like butter. I doubt any of them cannot do the OG at all, and will not bite for the defense of handler. You guys are just so silly.
Quote: I have my eye on a couple of large Police K9 competitions, one being the World Police and Fire games next year in NY. A very big event, second only in attendance to the summer Olympics. Is that good enough for you? Handlers from all over the world will be competing. You should enter and show off your skills.
Well until you do, all you have is hot air . Maybe you should learn a little more before you correct the "expert"
Quote:
I have no desire to do Mondio and I don't do sport competitions with my current dog.
Cause you are gonna get your ass handed to you. I wonder how bad your dog would melt when you went for the control needed to do sport ?? I have seen many many "K9" dogs melt like butter. I doubt any of them cannot do the OG at all, and will not bite for the defense of handler. You guys are just so silly.
Quote: I have my eye on a couple of large Police K9 competitions, one being the World Police and Fire games next year in NY. A very big event, second only in attendance to the summer Olympics. Is that good enough for you? Handlers from all over the world will be competing. You should enter and show off your skills.
I am sure that all you have is your "eye". I know that Mondio is going to hand you your ass, so I doubt you have the balls to enter this and get run off the field.
Quote: One question I have is why can't you get a blank gun? They are cheap and readily available. You mentioned your dog broke under gunfire because you have no access to a blank gun to train
We have a blank gun. I was busy doing other things and forgot. He has never had a gun shot over him, just as he is coming in for the bite. He got very sticky with gunfire, so he has had the fuck shocked out of him for not coming back during the flee.
But you know everything about dogs, and can read them so well. LOL Nice try, I guess when you talk out your ass about "sport" you start to look stupid. His brother did the exact same thing, but was the winner. I guess he is a nerve bag too, right ?? Once again, the mouth was open, and your breath stinks of foot odor.
By the way, the little mal that I was working with on the jump clears the half door in her kennel. I guess you would never ever figure that to happen, because she was banging her feet a bit on the jump. No way you could ever fix that. LOL I love the fact that you are willing to flap off at the mouth, as it shows how little you understand about dog training.
Glad I could teach you something today. Maybe you will figure out how little you know, and go to a sport club to figure it out.
Something tells me you are comfortable where you are at, and do not want to keep learning.
by Slamdunc on 10 July 2010 - 20:07
Jeff,
Mondio is not that big of a deal, and the control needed is far less than that needed for SchH or Police K9 work. I watched a few of your videos and saw the decoys in the suit banging on barrels, what is the big deal? Is it that hard to keep a dog under control under distraction? We do similar things and I can easily work my dog off lead around distractions in a more controlled manner and send him for a bite and recall him. Is It really such a big deal, perhaps I take having good obedience on a good dog for granted. Shouldn't we all be able to do these things with a sport dog or a police dog. I just expect way much more from a police dog than I ever would from a SchH or Mondio sport dog. I guess I have high standards.
Speaking of higher standards, IMO teaching a dog to go over a jump and allowing its feet to hit is sloppy training. Then adding a fourth board is worse training. First you need to teach the dog to jump and to extend it's legs and clear the jump. Making a dog go over a jump is not "teaching" the dog to jump properly and effectively. We do it differently with different equipment so the dog learns the most effective mechanics for jumping. Any dog can jump that jump, I want my dogs to clear it with ease and not touch, every time. From watching your dog in a trial, he doesn't understand the mechanics of jumping and hits the jump as well. Hmm, I see a consistent theme, you don't understand how to properly teach dogs to jump. This was evident by that video. You see Jeff, these are all of the building blocks or components of effective training. You must break each exercise down into it's individual components and train them before you put them together. I hope you have learned something here.
We have a blank gun. I was busy doing other things and forgot. He has never had a gun shot over him, just as he is coming in for the bite. He got very sticky with gunfire, so he has had the fuck shocked out of him for not coming back during the flee.
Again, poor training. If the dog has an issue with gunfire you never shock the crap out of them for not coming back during gunfire. What goes on in the dog's mind when you do this? What association has the dog made? Again it boils down to training, actually proper training. His brother broke under gunfire during the Nationals? I didn't see that, and he wasn't DQ'd for it. Hmm, is it genetic, are you saying it's in the lines therefore it's not your fault. Can a dog break under gunfire and return to the handler and still pass? To be clear, I'm talking about the gunfire issue with your dog when you placed him in a down and you went out of sight. A gun was fired, your dog reacted (negatively) broke the down and returned to you. He was placed in the down in the sand bag / fake bunker area, broke and left to find you. Am I wrong on this? Did his brother do the same thing?
Maybe you should learn a little more before you correct the "expert" I was joking when I called you an expert, that was sarcasm. Are you calling yourself an expert now?
I learn every day in working with dogs. I learned a lot from watching your videos, actually a lot of what not to do when training dogs.
I'm sure you'll want to keep at this forever, because that is what you do. Perhaps, you can earn the title of "the biggest pain in the ass on this forum as well."
Tell you what, you point out a couple of threads where you offered someone sincere good training advice, without knocking or bashing them or anyone else
Mondio is not that big of a deal, and the control needed is far less than that needed for SchH or Police K9 work. I watched a few of your videos and saw the decoys in the suit banging on barrels, what is the big deal? Is it that hard to keep a dog under control under distraction? We do similar things and I can easily work my dog off lead around distractions in a more controlled manner and send him for a bite and recall him. Is It really such a big deal, perhaps I take having good obedience on a good dog for granted. Shouldn't we all be able to do these things with a sport dog or a police dog. I just expect way much more from a police dog than I ever would from a SchH or Mondio sport dog. I guess I have high standards.
Speaking of higher standards, IMO teaching a dog to go over a jump and allowing its feet to hit is sloppy training. Then adding a fourth board is worse training. First you need to teach the dog to jump and to extend it's legs and clear the jump. Making a dog go over a jump is not "teaching" the dog to jump properly and effectively. We do it differently with different equipment so the dog learns the most effective mechanics for jumping. Any dog can jump that jump, I want my dogs to clear it with ease and not touch, every time. From watching your dog in a trial, he doesn't understand the mechanics of jumping and hits the jump as well. Hmm, I see a consistent theme, you don't understand how to properly teach dogs to jump. This was evident by that video. You see Jeff, these are all of the building blocks or components of effective training. You must break each exercise down into it's individual components and train them before you put them together. I hope you have learned something here.
We have a blank gun. I was busy doing other things and forgot. He has never had a gun shot over him, just as he is coming in for the bite. He got very sticky with gunfire, so he has had the fuck shocked out of him for not coming back during the flee.
Again, poor training. If the dog has an issue with gunfire you never shock the crap out of them for not coming back during gunfire. What goes on in the dog's mind when you do this? What association has the dog made? Again it boils down to training, actually proper training. His brother broke under gunfire during the Nationals? I didn't see that, and he wasn't DQ'd for it. Hmm, is it genetic, are you saying it's in the lines therefore it's not your fault. Can a dog break under gunfire and return to the handler and still pass? To be clear, I'm talking about the gunfire issue with your dog when you placed him in a down and you went out of sight. A gun was fired, your dog reacted (negatively) broke the down and returned to you. He was placed in the down in the sand bag / fake bunker area, broke and left to find you. Am I wrong on this? Did his brother do the same thing?
Maybe you should learn a little more before you correct the "expert" I was joking when I called you an expert, that was sarcasm. Are you calling yourself an expert now?
I learn every day in working with dogs. I learned a lot from watching your videos, actually a lot of what not to do when training dogs.
I'm sure you'll want to keep at this forever, because that is what you do. Perhaps, you can earn the title of "the biggest pain in the ass on this forum as well."
Tell you what, you point out a couple of threads where you offered someone sincere good training advice, without knocking or bashing them or anyone else
by Phil Behun on 10 July 2010 - 20:07
Most K9 dogs are trained by professionals and then sold to departments with some kind of maintenance agreement. Problem is, most departments don't want to "pay" for follow up work so they get themselves a Ray Allen catalog and a coupla' sleeves and pass them out at roll call and "poof" they're dog trainers.
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