Can BDGSDA be saved? - Page 7

Well said missbeeb at the moment mackenzie if we said LG type shows only then we would be sitting on our bums for a long time it will take time to get these things up and running it will not happen over night  and you are right when you say we will be in a way helping the KC run shows by entering them but i do not have a choice yet, but i will only enter under breed specialist judges and when more and more LG type or OG type shows start then and only then would it be time to choose one over the other if you do return to the UK mackenzie what type of show would you prefer to show your dogs, the type where you can show anything, or the type with breed health issue's to the fore where a grading is more important than a piece of red paper
jim h

Mackenzie that is the point you fail to grasp at this moment in time their is only one side as far as showing in this country is concerned and that is the KC, things will how ever change but it will take time and i can assure you that it will go both ways with the people who voted to keep the KC system showing their dogs at LG shows as well as KC shows but within a few years the KC shows in my opinion will fade away.
jim h

I do appreciate Jim that there are very few shows other than KC shows available at this time.  However, for me I would rather reduce the number of shows that I attend and spend my time working towards a better system than support the other side with a physical presence and payment of fees.  At least that would be a positive contribution for the betterment of the breed.

The whole discussion regarding a break from the KC in favour of an SV type system has been going on for thirty years or so.  The situation and the attitude within the breed has remained more or less the same, the status quo rules.   The point has already been made that perhaps the WUSV rules should be followed and answered by the comment "we do not have to follow all of the rules we can make our own".   If the breed continues in this way then another thirty years will pass with no change.   Everyone needs to pull together.

Mackenzie

The mood now is different - the KC have given the impetus for change and those who want to are just working out how. I am convinced that we are on the verge of change right now.

OK last explanation from me on this issue. I am secretary of a Club which has a full and very competant committee, some with with 9 members collectively totalling 340yrs experience in the breed (not their ages, the years in the breed) with three at over 30yrs, three at over 40yrs, two at over 35yrs and one founder member with over 60yrs of breed involvement at our Club, the remaining members are far from being novices either, having owned, imported and handled champions.
This committee voted Not to Sign the KC Undertaking believeing it to be Unfair, Restrictive as well as Unworkable.  
The Undertaking was put as an item onto our AGM Agenda which took place last Sunday, we had a bigger turn out of Non Committee Members attending this AGM than have attended for years, however the vote Not to Sign the KC Undertaking was almost Unanimous. This Club has NEVER suggested Breaking away from the KC and STILL has NO INTENTIONS of doing so. All it means is that the Committee and Members have had the courage to let their ACTIONS SPEAK AS LOUD AS THEIR WORDS.

Now, please understand this, by not signing we havent walked away from the KC, or Split from the KC, we have just stood up to what we believer. We agree Unsoundness needs to be addressed, we just dont see how reporting our judges to the KC is workable. We agree double handling has to be curbed, we just dont see how stopping it completely could be achieved without having to abandon every class and possibly end up cancelling every show. Most of all we do not see why we should have to ask for KC permission to hold a WUSV type event as we see no reason why people shouldnt have Freedom of Choice to attend all the shows, afterall some already do by exhibiting the same animals in Germany as they exhibit here at KC Shows. So, whilst we have decided not to sign the undertaking and thus by so refusting we loose our CC status from 2012 onwards, we will still endeavour to run our KC shows to the KC rules, in the same manner as we have always done, the only difference is that we wont be constantly worrying about losing our CC status if some of our exhibitors call, cough, hiss or jangle keys whilst their dogs are in the ring, or because we failed to report our judge who favoured a dog that in the opinion of others was unsound, or for deciding to run a WUSV type canine event without first asking the KC permission to do so. We wont have ANY of those worries anymore, because we considered that having KC CC;s was not worth selling our integrety by signing up to something we felt unable to successfully enforce. But hey, if others think they can then who are we to say differently and we may have to bow down to their expertise and we have every right of excersing our (non signed up) Freedom of Choice by going along as an exhibitor to WATCH, LISTEN, LEARN AND SEE HOW ITS DONE (or not, as the case may be) !! 

So , lets get this straight, although we, as a club as well as individuals, do not believe it was feasible to run a KC show to the exact demands of the Undertaking (hence the reason we wont be signing because we are not hypocrites), we are prepared to accept the decision of the other Clubs, Committees and Members who obviously believe that it is feasible for their Club Committee to run a show that strictly adhers to all the conditions of the KC's Undertaking (hence presumable,  the reason they are signing it !!). Now if I , along with all the others who have voted NOT to sign, and remember many will have voted NOT to sign but were out voted (Mo and Shirley being but two who immediately spring to mind), want to exhibit our Health Checked / Surveyed dogs to compete against the rest then thats our perogative and providing we, along with all the other exhibitors en

OK last explanation from me on this issue. I am secretary of a Club which has a full and very competant committee, some with with 9 members collectively totalling 340yrs experience in the breed (not their ages, the years in the breed) with three at over 30yrs, three at over 40yrs, two at over 35yrs and one founder member with over 60yrs of breed involvement at our Club, the remaining members are far from being novices either, having owned, imported and handled champions.
This committee voted Not to Sign the KC Undertaking believeing it to be Unfair, Restrictive as well as Unworkable.  
The Undertaking was put as an item onto our AGM Agenda which took place last Sunday, we had a bigger turn out of Non Committee Members attending this AGM than have attended for years, however the vote Not to Sign the KC Undertaking was almost Unanimous. This Club has NEVER suggested Breaking away from the KC and STILL has NO INTENTIONS of doing so. All it means is that the Committee and Members have had the courage to let their ACTIONS SPEAK AS LOUD AS THEIR WORDS.

Now, please understand this, by not signing we havent walked away from the KC, or Split from the KC, we have just stood up to what we believer. We agree Unsoundness needs to be addressed, we just dont see how reporting our judges to the KC is workable. We agree double handling has to be curbed, we just dont see how stopping it completely could be achieved without having to abandon every class and possibly end up cancelling every show. Most of all we do not see why we should have to ask for KC permission to hold a WUSV type event as we see no reason why people shouldnt have Freedom of Choice to attend all the shows, afterall some already do by exhibiting the same animals in Germany as they exhibit here at KC Shows. So, whilst we have decided not to sign the undertaking and thus by so refusting we loose our CC status from 2012 onwards, we will still endeavour to run our KC shows to the KC rules, in the same manner as we have always done, the only difference is that we wont be constantly worrying about losing our CC status if some of our exhibitors call, cough, hiss or jangle keys whilst their dogs are in the ring, or because we failed to report our judge who favoured a dog that in the opinion of others was unsound, or for deciding to run a WUSV type canine event without first asking the KC permission to do so. We wont have ANY of those worries anymore, because we considered that having KC CC;s was not worth selling our integrety by signing up to something we felt unable to successfully enforce. But hey, if others think they can then who are we to say differently and we may have to bow down to their expertise and we have every right of excersing our (non signed up) Freedom of Choice by going along as an exhibitor to WATCH, LISTEN, LEARN AND SEE HOW ITS DONE (or not, as the case may be) !! 

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Mo and Shirley, thank you so much. We can do this but the more people who put their backs behind it the easier it will be.

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So , lets get this straight, although we, as a club as well as individuals, do not believe it was feasible to run a KC show to the exact demands of the Undertaking (hence the reason we wont be signing because we are not hypocrites), we are prepared to accept the decision of the other Clubs, Committees and Members who obviously believe that it is feasible for their Club Committee to run a show that strictly adhers to all the conditions of the KC's Undertaking (hence presumable, the reason they are signing it !!). Now if I , along with all the others who have voted NOT to sign, and remember many will have voted NOT to sign but were out voted (Mo and Shirley being but two who immediately spring to mind), want to exhibit our Health Checked / Surveyed dogs to compete against the rest then thats our perogative and providing we, along with all the other exhibitors entereing this show abide by KC rules and acknowledge the fact that in order to keep its CC status this Club Committee has agreed to STRICTLY ADHERE to every one of the 10 items of this KC Undertaking , then I dont see the problem. Remember , we are not the ones who said we didnt want CC's , we just said we didnt want them if it meant signing up to an Undertaking we believed was impossible to enforce. Now if there are those who think they can and will enforce it, then go for it, we will excersise our RIGHTS to Choose if we want to attend them or not. Just the same as those who choose to sign will no doubt attend the WUSV events that we will eventually be running.

Regards
Sue