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I was not that impressed with the training. He seems like a nice dog but yeah, not real impressed with what they were doing. There was no footage of an out and the dog was choked of one bite (not always a bad thing)

But exactly what out of control behavior did you see and how was it reinforced?

Hi My name is Petra, I don`t know the owner, but I know the dog, I moved over from Germany in 2007 and their I saw the dog at a club and trust me, he is a dog who needs a strong handler, he showed their , when he became some pressure like with the pinch, he growled at his handler, my husband worked him as decoy. I can tell everybody, a dog who had maked that experience with his owner, will do it again, I would look to find a new owner, may be with more experience with this kinds of dogs. I can say out of my own experience, I got two years ago a male, he was 3 and half year old, when we got him and he bits to persons in the hospital, it is not easy !!!!! I had need a half year just to do the normal things on this dog, like brush him, take the collar on and off, I have him now two years and he trust me, but I`m not him and thats why I`m stay save with him, you never can trust dogs like these ones, a stupid situation and they will bite again. So best for that owner sale him or keep him for breeding.The two owners who got bit from my dog thought that they could fix that problem, result hospital.

Mainly demon and coco, partial axl. As demon got pulled off by the handler he was still after then in a state of active aggression, this is reinforced by a repeat bite. Cocos head shaking is out of hand, in her head she is kiling something, either the decoy or the suit. The handler has difficulty outing her, decoy reinforces growling and shaking by keeping on moving... the prey is not dead. Axl got reinforce the same way. And then outed with e-collar. IMO dangerous practice and nothing to do with PP as this should be very controlled aggression only.

Ok. I was confused there. I did not look at the other videos. Yeah, these guys are yahoo's. Unfortunatley the sterotypical "PP" trainers and training.

It's too bad they seem to have some nice dogs that will not reach their potential

I stand by my post (crappy handling/training) what a waste of a damn good dog.

 Quote: A mistake would be to bite once, and let go immediately.   I have been bitten ONCE and it called for 17 stitches.  80  stitches  would indicate multiple bites and that cannot be "mistake."  

Ok, first off, this has nothing to do with any former posts, so this is not personal at all.

80 stitches just means 80 stitches. My oldest friend on the planet, broke up a dog fight between his two Golden retrievers, and got 120 stitches. It was a slash along his forearm. If a dog bites high, and his body weight and speed are good, then 80 is nothing.

Bonding with a dog means shit. WITHOUT proper training, dogs go after the weaker of the two. If the dog percieves the handler to be the weaker, he will bite the handler. TRAINING IS THE DIFFERENCE. I am sure there might be some exceptions to this rule, but WITHOUT PROPER TRAINING, the weaker opponent is gonna get it. 

There is a long thread about this on the working dog forum, with a video showing the dogs in muzzles nailing the police handler who was on the ground every time but one, and the decoy attracted the dog off of the handler. This is something you find out when you do bitework scenarios.

None of this was the dogs fault. 

I just barely got to Mysteres post, have to read the rest.

 OK, I saw the video, and the whole set up looks like it could go wrong. LOL Looks like a nice dog to me.  I would breed to him.

I wonder about the experience of these trainers?

Having said that I've seen some dogs who have been made so frantic by poor training

You guys know how stories grow on the net.  Just like the old telephone game,  there is maybe a little less truth and a little more imagination each time it is heard/retold. This is in no way deliberate, it's just what happens.   In a week I will not be too surprised if this same story will pop up on a different board only started by someone who has just been told the story and it will be the same but way different  "INGES ATTACKED OWNER INSTEAD OF DECOY THEN PROCEEDED TO EAT HIM WITH A KNIFE AND FORK IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY".

I agree with those who said nice dog, nice pedigree, probably handler/training errors, but really not enough info about the actual event to even speculate as to the reasons why it happened.