The decline of the German Shepherd character - Page 65

It wasn't meant as a serious comment. More of a joke. Maybe I should have added lol to make it clear. I figured most could read the sarcasm in it.

Admin - I knew where you were going but as this thread is like the Wild West I thought that I would yank your chain a little

Mackenzie

It is okay, I need my chain yanked in a respectful manner every once in awhile. :)

Ok, I think I understand Prager and I understand Duke-Joanro and to tell the truth I think both parties are correct, yes both are correct, vk I can see you laughing, lol.

In theory what Hans is saying is true, as Blitzen said if a certain quality male of outstanding traits had 100 male sons and we selected best two which had same traits of father and we again bred them and selected on same criteria then after 20 years we will have a male or than one male who have same traits of the male we started with in first place. That theory is correct and true.

But there are legitimate questions

1. Can that really be done in real practice of breeding?

2. Can we rely on breeder (human) selection? what if there was a human error?

On the other hand, Duke-Joanro are also correct because after few generation of interbreeding between the 5 lines there will be no true lines, bloodwise it is mixed, trait wise you will see in every bloodline carriers of same or different trait or grades of that trait, so why the headache of the 5 lines, you want a certain trait go breed your female to a dog who is well known to produce that trait irregardles who was his gran granddsire before 20 years.

I applaud your wisdom Ibrahim

I´m not interested in attacking anybody, but I´m interested in genetics.
Nobody thinks you are Gregor Johann Mendel, because in that case you´d proof yourself wrong.

Ibrahim, don't forget that the dams will also need to express the same characteristics as the sires since they also contribute 1/2 of the genes. One would need to find females with the same phenotype and genotype. I doubt that would be possible without cloning.

Yes true, but it is also true for the whole population you can not set (assign) female lines, you can do that as a single or group of cooperating breeders but not for the whole population, wouldn't work.

Please note

Due to good traits and qualities we have few famous, extensively bred, males in every cycle which is approx 5 years, for example in show bloodline, we almost know every male in last 5 generations in almost any pedigree, you hardly see a un-known male. That shows how big the effect of the male and male line on the whole population.

Genetics is kind of statistic probability, nothing else.
Just try to calculate the possibilities.
There are 65 BILLIONS of genetic possibilities for ONE child.......

Susie,

What you say is true, science, no doubt. But please, think of dominance, give it a little thinking, let us think together, okay

We often hear breeders, experienced guys in the breed describe a male as producing a certain trait with good, very good and excellent females.

On the other hand we hear same guys describing a marvellous male himself as, unfotuenately he did not produce well.

So it looks like true, some males have dominant genetic ability of passing their traits and some don't, I do not know the scientific explanation of that, but that is what we hear from the guys about various males