Line fishing with one of my dogs - Page 6

Duke Balance I would agree control is different in many situation. And also for me a good bark shows a certain power without releasing the dog I know it's only a front but it works

I wouldnot want a dog that is a good deterrent but sucks at real work,
furthermore the out is important in most police forces, in czech republic in policedogompetitions you loose many points for no out ,,, and in holland in KNPV the same, many points lost in no out and bad control, I bought multiple good KNPV titled dogs with bad points for control that the dutch police passed on for that reason only

Same dog under a bit of stress

I never said the bark was to compensate for real work but I want both it my preference not to have an out I like it that way

No matter what…having verbal control, even if it fails, will help a handler control a dog. Even if the dog doesn’t out the first time, or the second time, eventually it should out. When points aren’t involved, you can add in the physical help, but a dog will still be easier to control if it has a foundation of taught control. Even if the dog is poorly trained, even hearing that word should get the dog to release a bit or at least change it’s mindset for a second, or maybe for the next 10 seconds, giving the handler the opportunity to remove it from that situation without the added frustration and danger.

Your preference is your preference…you can train however you want to train. Bottom line, lack of an out or lack of some resemblance of control isn’t useful in 99.99% of situations.

Shawnicus, thanks for posting the videos, at least now we are able to make an evaluation of the bloodlines you import/plan to breed and what it is they actually exhibit which lead you to make the statements you make.

No problem , videos are here to study and better understand the dogs and hopefully better the breed

As I said I have total control and excellent obedience I just don't use an out. But all other aspects of obedience heel work recalls downs sits send aways emergency downs

I actually know a few people that use a small subtle pocket knife looking break stick specifically designed for police and military to get the dog off the bite, rather than using an out. I've got one of them at my shop in case we ever need to break up a dog fight and it comes in very handy. That dogs possession is so high that sometimes you don't have a choice but to use the breakstick. She's slowly, very slowly learning to drop the ball. If you have a bitepillow or tug, forget about an out, just use the "Breaker"