Does good bitework = good protection work? - Page 6

NO way, you send $ I'm needier! LOL

It was my understanding that a PP dog can be a very good Sch sport dog but a Schutzhund dog can't necessarily have what it takes to be a "true" protection dog. Anyone agree or disagree? And why do you feel that way? Let's try to stick to factual information and not merely oppinion as to not get into an unnecessary heated debate.

Training does not make the dog.

Apple and Oranges, Most often different dogs. PP dogs more natural sharpness, high defense civil dogs that are very serious minded, not happy go lucky, " throw me my ball bad guy and I will play with you " Training is different. I never socialize with dog I agitate.I leave them hot. I use many tools to bring out the civil in dog and this can be risky in getting bit. It is not a game, sport or entertainment. I want the dog to see me as his mortal enemy and he will know I am when we get done. Different agitators, or disguises through glass so dog wont smell you, keeping him sharp to others, posing danger. Situationals are limitless. Always new testing, and always with dog winning. Dog learns that he is unstopable. But for all this dog must have a serious mindset, not happy go lucky. Thats my take. I do not see a good PP dog doing great in Schutzhund, too much of a transition. Most often different temperments.Some Schutzhund dogs may make the transition, but I would say it would be difficult at best because of previous training and often the dog does not have the natural sharpness needed. Both can be done, but I don't see either doing great at the other. Usually I would recomend doing one or the other.Just to add last point, PP dog must also have complete control,clear head and discern the real threat. A good PP dog should have no problem with a child since a child poses no threat. He must be appropriate in all situations or you have a PP dog that has to sit in the Kennel when you go out. The key, he must be alert and aloof to people. Not interrested in getting petted, fed, or played with. Aloof and alert with discernment and the muscle and confidence to back it up. I know others will disagree, and I am not saying Schutzhund dog will not protect. I am saying if you want the best at PP or Schutzhund then start with the dog that has the natural equipment to do the best job. I love the old muscle cars but would not use one on a track. Apples and Oranges.

GSDfan has a super kick-ass male to work. AS much as he brings to the work its hard to spend a lot of time on her female, but she has gone a lon-n-g way with her. Best of luck in '07 Melli. We're all rooting for you! SS

Back to the original thread, NO, good bitework does not necessarily mean a dog is good in protection... but without it you have nothing. There is so much more to "C" (protection phase) than just the bitework: barking/guarding, control/obedience, speed to the helper... I've seen Rot's sent on the courage test that were so slow I could've walked to the beer tent, bought a drink and returned to my seat in the stands before the goofy thing got to the helper LOL ; There are a more than a few dogs that won't guard convincingly, or not for very long, (MOMMY!!! HELP! COME GET ME!) often the weakness in show dogs, but also popular with PLENTY of "hardcore" (cough, cough, cough) working line sport dogs and K9's out there. (No names, please) If it was just full hard grips it would be easy. Too bad the REST of the routine counts for so doggone many points. Ha ha ha