Horrendous Attack - Page 6

Sure, it's displacement, frustration...just like in any other dog. GSDs and Mals do it all the time and it gets defended and lauded as "high drive." I don't/won't own a dog that shows displacement like that, but again, not everyone thinks like I do! LOL

26yr old twins w/criminal backgrounds make me think it was not so much to mom's benefit as much as theirs that they live at home. Having left at 19, I don't get that "failure to launch" thing to begin with, but I only made the comment because of the criminal history, not the mere fact that they were still at home. Do the math- 26yr old twins, living at home, criminal records, no utilities at the house, Pit Bull as only pet (only pet mentioned anyway)........not looking too good. 

When I watched Lineage's video(s), if I JUST thought about the
dog and the tree, I could see the amusing (not LOL) side;  ...but
when I then continued to think about it, the following occurred
to me:  1  Was reminded of the problem of ruined trees, as
described in my previous post;  2  was reminded of all that
nonsense about 'locking bites' and (as Judge Judy Shiendlin
​will keep defining it !) the "physiological difference of the APBT's
jaw" - ANY dog with enough strength, weight and determination
could pull a limb off a maybe frail woman, if it was enraged enough.
Like others I am tempted to think something else was wrong with
the dog, or went wrong in some interaction between the dog & the
woman.  And  3:  was reminded about the severity of the reported
attack,  and felt a little guilty, therefore, for smiling at the dog in the
video.  I see I was not alone in that.  A post about the problem of
an enraged dog being capable of doing that much damage,  and
maybe a reference or link to the video plus the warning about worse
being available, might have conveyed your msg better, Lineage, than
the header you used ?
 

And I'm sure my Chihuahua would join

Nooooooo!  You never told me; I feel somehow, betrayed. 

Gosh that is really terrible! That poor lady!

Jeni....

You have created any and every reason to blame except for the pit bull's genetics.

I think you are reaching a bit far with this "criminal record" bit and "living at home". For all you know, the twins could have down syndrome and have to live with their mother. That statement I just made is about as farfetched as the rest of the comments you have made about these men.

I don't understand why you are trying so hard to force the idea that the humans are to blame. I am not saying this in a fighting manner- I would truly like to know. In our last thread you were very angry when I said that dogs are not worth a human life. I want to understand where you are coming from. Did you have some kind of traumatic event with another human? I really feel like you go out of your way to make humans look bad or be the blame in every thread on this forum and present the dogs as hopeless victims.

It is not a dog's "fault" that it inherited aggression. But that doesn't stop it from being aggressive.

When a german shepherd attacks someone, the first thing we usually blame is genetic aggression or BYB
When a pit bull attacks someone, anything and everything but genetic aggression is blamed to the point where it is ridiculous. I mean, going to the point to try to research this family to find anything you can point out that blames the owner and not the dog is just crazy in my eyes.

I hope that you are able to read this post and take it as it was written -- respectfully and curiously. And reply as like in turn.

 

Rocky...in this case humans ARE to be blamed...dog didn't go out and pick the home to live in he had no choice, humans picked the dog, the breed, the conditions....there are tons of threads on here about environment, stupid owners, ignorant observers, lazy owners with high energy dogs and it all effects dogs in every way, this is no different...these people obviously had no business owning this dog, if you want to ignore criminal record (which there is a link that clearly stated they had warrant for robbery and were out on bond of 70,000 (so much for your theory on down syndrome ) and they were fighting which initiated the arrest...in this case it was people...if that is not clear enough than you are just either being stubborn, want to start an argument, or you are choosing to be ignorant and maybe its the cause of down syndrome...
 

as humans we should all feel ''sick in our stomachs'' over this story. as dog lovers we should all fear being'' splattered with the same paint brush'' as many in the media and poitcians  will get up on their hi horses and blame specfic breeds. we , as trainers, should point out that this ''end game'' should never have come to pass, as I bet you dollars to donuts that this individual dog has a history far more complex than running at large in the neighborhood. 

LF wrote :  ..."or you are choosing to be ignorant and maybe its the
cause of down syndrome ..."

WTF ?

What's the 'cause' of Down's Syndrome ???
Rocky's supposed 'ignorance' ?    Puh-leeeze !


[It's genetic, btw].
Downs' was just suggested  (by Rocky) as one possible reason 26-yr old twins
might still live at home with their mother;  it hasn't been mentioned in any other
context on this thred.  Probably someone with Downs Syndrome might be
more caring and responsible about a dog in their ownership, but never mind ...
 

Yeesh, I still live with my dad at 21... Guess I better get a move on or I'm going to be a horrible person in a couple years! Not to mention my grandmother lives here too... crap we're screwed!

Rocky, with all due respect and curiosity, WHY are you addressing me in reference to ideas and/or statements that I never said? I (respectfully ) think you're off your rocker. In the other thread, which you want to bring here to confuse the bejesus out of everyone, I never said dogs are worth a human life- YOU said a dog's life isn't worth even a 'minor scratch' on your fiance's hand and that he has the right to shoot any dog who gets in his way, whether that dog is on his/her own property or not. That sickened me, as well as a few others, I'd bet, as your fiance is a human with free will. He chose to be a police officer. He has responsibilities that come with the job, like every job has responsibilities. If you don't want to be responsible and follow the course of least damage and life loss, you shouldn't do that job. It's simple. Let's be accurate, here, if you want to have an argument, which you seem hell bent on doing!

Reread that thread, then go back and reread THIS thread, and get your statements and posters straight. LadyFrost might be the one you're addressing; based on your post,(???) because I really can't tell who you're meaning to address or why. I said NOTHING about the dog. I'm coming up with "any and every reason to blame"??? WTH are you talking about? There was a link to the criminal story about the twins at the bottom of an article!  Again, reading and clear comprehension of the written word are imperative if you want to have an argument about it.  Read the thread again (carefully, post by post) and see if you still come up with the same conclusion. <smh>  

If you've simply put the wrong name at the top of your post and didn't really mean to address me, that would make a lot more sense and in that case, I apologize.