Structure of the GSD - Beneficial or Detrimental? - Page 6

Joan, did you know that A QUARTER of the Show Pekes in the
UK were found to be 'hocky' (ie 'close going away') ?

As far as I know they can still run, jump and turn, _  as much as
any little heavy short-arsed breed can do those things !  But ...
are they 'sound' ?

I'd argue: likely not.   They probably don't do the running,
jumping and turning quite as well as their cousins with stronger,
straighter hocks.    {Don't usually see them in Flyball,  LOL}.

But our Kennel Club doesn't seem too bothered about that problem
in Pekinese, [where they do have other issues to worry about at t'other
end of the dog!].  However the KC falls over itself to tell us that the, much
less frequent, occurence of weak hocks in GSDs is of huge importance
to the breeds health and well-being.

i''ve been involved in dog's from very young age newbie, my grandfather was a 15x belgium ring finalist 2x 2eplace 2x 3th place
myself i started working dog's at the age of 16 i'm 35 now
i've travelled to several country's inside and outside european union to train,check military dog's, trainning military/police dogs is my daily job
hobbywise i've been a oc vlaendren clubmember for a very,very long time now were julien vansteenbeke up untill today still is my mentor as a helper and handler in ipo
in past post i already sommed some of the dog's i worked so look them up if you really wanna know
belgium ring and mondio ringwise as a favour to a friend but only once aweek due to a knee injury wich i don't seem to get rid off i still perform helperwork at royal chien policier tournai, the club of luc vansteenbrugge, mabey you know him better as the breeder "des deux pottois"
my current dog is used by several eastern european breeders because of he's extreme hardness and drives, no sportdog at all but a real joy every time i look at him
oh and in several country's breeders now have made an application towards their breedclubs to ask an intervariation between my mali and their lakenois because they want some of he's hardness/drives back into their lines and restore the working abillity's of the breed so yes he's way above average when it comes to reproducing he's quallity's he's only 3 and first offspring start to compeet this year in ipo,obedience,agillity,mondioring and knpv
​some owners of offspring are
french agillity champion and world champion by team
french ring national final winner
2xfrench ipo champion
2x mondioring world champion
obedience world champion
dutch champion ipo
dutch champion knpv
belgium ring champion nvbk
and off course several proffesional k9 handlers all over the world in EDD/ patrol dog's, a lot of them who got their trainning by myself or my co-workers in slovakia

 

Clc, I get where you're coming from, however, horse's have never been deliberately bred to have what I consider deformities that have been propagated in many dog breeds on purpose. So, not much to compare.

joanro, I have show lines, none of which are deformed. That is what I find pretty ignorant is lumping them all together. I came from a working background and movement/structure of a sound dog is very important to me. Are there deformed show line... YES are all of us supporting them or own them... NO!!  There are no hyenas, roach backs, bannana backed, hock draggers in my showlines and my dogs are not too heavy to function athletically. I also count on my show line to care for me as a service dog with excellent temperament, intelligence, and nerves 24/7 with the risk of my life if he should fail when only he and I are home alone. I find it highly offensive, this attitude about show lines all the time when there are problems in all gsds including the beloved working lines.



Kyto, awesome for you! Someone telling others on here what to do, how to do it that has actually got out there and did it themselves. Refreshing :) Hopefully what you are seeing in dogs in your part of the world does disagree with what I have had to say about them in our part of the world. Let me know when you have been in swamps up to your boobs in mucky, black, green topped water crossing from cyrpress hammock to cypress hamock with dog on your shoulders so that if poisonous snake or alligator attacks you prefer to be bitten over your dog while mosquittos are sucking at your face and you cant wave them off because then you would have to let go of your dog in order to find some asshat idiot that cannot stay to the zones that were given while hunting because they just know the buck they want would be in that freaking cesspool! 


I am learning the sport of schutzhund these days........

GsdNewbie, I never mentioned GSDSLs, I spoke of dog breeds in general. I don't understand why you think all posts addressing dysfunctional dogs' structure (in any breed) as a personal affront to you. No need for you to defend your dogs to me.

wow, this is a resume i really  like, blows most every other expert here out of the water especially mine. congrats on yr dedication to the breed over such a long time, i have nothing but envy and admiration. why not take a vacation to the barrier reef and come visit me, i will treat you real good.

kyto said;

i''ve been involved in dog's from very young age newbie, my grandfather was a 15x belgium ring finalist 2x 2eplace 2x 3th place
myself i started working dog's at the age of 16 i'm 35 now
i've travelled to several country's inside and outside european union to train,check military dog's, trainning military/police dogs is my daily job
hobbywise i've been a oc vlaendren clubmember for a very,very long time now were julien vansteenbeke up untill today still is my mentor as a helper and handler in ipo
in past post i already sommed some of the dog's i worked so look them up if you really wanna know
belgium ring and mondio ringwise as a favour to a friend but only once aweek due to a knee injury wich i don't seem to get rid off i still perform helperwork at royal chien policier tournai, the club of luc vansteenbrugge, mabey you know him better as the breeder "des deux pottois"
my current dog is used by several eastern european breeders because of he's extreme hardness and drives, no sportdog at all but a real joy every time i look at him
oh and in several country's breeders now have made an application towards their breedclubs to ask an intervariation between my mali and their lakenois because they want some of he's hardness/drives back into their lines and restore the working abillity's of the breed so yes he's way above average when it comes to reproducing he's quallity's he's only 3 and first offspring start to compeet this year in ipo,obedience,agillity,mondioring and knpv
​some owners of offspring are
french agillity champion and world champion by team
french ring national final winner
2xfrench ipo champion
2x mondioring world champion
obedience world champion
dutch champion ipo
dutch champion knpv
belgium ring champion nvbk
and off course several proffesional k9 handlers all over the world in EDD/ patrol dog's, a lot of them who got their trainning by myself or my co-workers in slovakia

That was a thred-killer, vk4 - what did you have to repeat
the whole of Kyto's post for  ?  Not even like its a page or
more back !

If Kyto has accomplished all of that it does prove worth repeating!  It does well to KNOW who has accomplished what when on here to know who may have the right of things in their area of knowledge. Many here who have not done what they give advice on and sometimes it is wrong advice, but sounds awesome to someone who does not know the giver has never accomplished anything. I like knowing there are still people on this forum that have not been run away that have first hand knowledge and things to teach others.

If I want to know something working PD K9, I ask Slam, why not have others you know the resume of to learn from? I have two clubs and my trainer for schutzhund but I also still read other stuff. I have chatted with members here that do or plan to do SAR, and others that have service dogs. I prefer first hand knowledge when learning, not hearsay from people on fringes of people doing it.

Not dissing Kyto's record, you understand ... just querying
vk's reposting of another members' post only three posts
later.

If everyone who posts here knew what they were talking about and if all their wild stories about their unsubstantiated dog adventures were true, that would be an internet first.