Unusual use of an e-collar? - Page 6

and I can train a dog with no leash or collar, I can train one with a flat collar, I can train one with an prong.  I can train one with a ball, praise, food and opportunity to jump in a fucking lake.  Dogs respond to millions of source of stimuli, who gives a shit if someone decides to use an ecollar.  The simple fact of using one means nothing.  If a dog is repeated "fried" over and over and over, the tool isn't to blame, it's the idiot owner.  

coursing electricity through there body?  My goodness, do some of you cry at folger's commercials on TV??  I think you're a tad bit on the dramatic side.  I hate to break it to you, since you just want to get technical about things, if the dog didn't have electricity charging through its body, it would be dead.  There are a thousand ways to train a behavior, if you don't like something, don't use it and if you're going to use something, understand what you're trying to do.  

To say lock the thread is totally ridicules. The thread is unusual use of an e collar.
I would hope that the disturbing ways the collar is being depicted in this thread, IS NOT the usual usage.
Anyone that is inexperienced with the collar and is thinking of using one, that may be looking its use up on line, will hopefully get directed to this thread and learn about proper usage.
No one is saying that anyone, and everyone that uses it correctly is abusing their dogs.
CORRECTLY IS THE KEY WORD HERE...

Blitzen,
Yep, I asked why an e-collar would be use on the belly/groin area of a dog. However I did not ask if using a e-collar was abusive, cruel, wrong/right, etc. I really don't care what your(general) thoughts on the actual use of an e-collar is. I just wondered about the specific use in this one specific photo.
I didn't ask for photos of dogs that had been abused by idiot owners using an e-collar incorrectly to be posted or for people to post how any use of an e-collar is cruel.
Just wanted thoughts on the original question, which has been answered.

LOL, well sometimes you get more than you bargain for on an open internet forum. It happens all the time. 



 

NorthwoodsGSD one of the reasons some trainers will use multiple collars on a dog, on multiple locations, is to be able to "touch" the dog in different areas, each one meaning something different. And yes, I'm using the word touch instead of stim, not because I'm trying to hide that electricity is involved but because today's collars have multiple settings, a stim and a vibrate, so not all communication is done via stim.   I'm only going to give a real general glossing over of the uses, but the people I know who train this way use it in much more in-depth ways.  Anyway, touch the dog at the base of the tail can mean go forward or sit.  On the left side of the neck meaning turn right, right side meaning turn left, belly meaning to stand or out, etc.   As far as how these signals can be used, on the guard of object for Ringsport, if the dog is unsure if the decoy is close enough to bite, a touch can be a clear signal to the dog to go forward and bite.  And no, it's not being used to force him to bite, it's being used to let him know "yes, now you can bite".  Take that concept to the send away, you can tell the dog to keep going forward.  Working the stand, whether it's a change of positions or motion exercise, touch the belly.  Same for the out, someone else mentioned how a stim on the neck can actually cause some dogs to clam down harder which is counter productive.  On the belly doesn't get this reaction, and is similar to someone lightly flanking a dog on the out, it gets the dog to let go and turn.  On the neck can be used to remind the dog to not chew on a retrieve, or to have the dog turn or move one way or another.

I don't train this way, but I have talked to people who do, and do it well.  One of the people that was a front runner in this type of training is Bart Bellon.  A lot of what I know about this method came from people who learned from him.

Malndobe,
Excellent explanation!  I would add that the proper placement on the neck and low stim will easily cause the dog to out.  

The lack of education on here about the myriad uses of an E Collar is mind blowing and no its not just for life or death its a training tool that creates instant very clear communication from you to your dog.  Instead I'm hearing emotion ridden nonsense with very few facts.  Should I post a picture of what happens when a collar gets ingrown into a dogs neck?  Maybe we should ban flat collars, and idiots too.  I sure hope no one takes what they read on here to seriously.

Haz,
Hello and welcome to the PDB!  I see you have already found one of the hottest topics on the forum.  

I would say discussing the proper use of an E collar here is futile, but I don't want to get chastised again.  LOL

Thanks I have lurked for a while when I wasnt browsing the classifieds.
Lol it just drives me nuts when hear regurgitated drivel, which is mainely what you hear about E Collars by those that have never really delved into their use. I wont get into how to properly use one since there are a variety of ways to properly do so as well as a variety of systems one can pursue in training.  Those who are interested can do the research, but most of the people spouting off here clearly have very little clue about this tool or the science behind it.

Can someone post the picture/video  of the e- collar around the dogs waist that started this thread? I'm having a hard time accepting the idea that it is in contact with the genitals or that zapping the dog in the genitals would be an effect? Sounds like one of those myths perpetuated by the anti remote trainer zealots?

Thomas Barriano