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by Sontausen on 02 October 2009 - 22:10
by Adi Ibrahimbegovic on 02 October 2009 - 23:10
so...
Spain 2010
Ukraine 2011
AKC 2013
who's 2012?
Spain 2010
Ukraine 2011
AKC 2013
who's 2012?
by Mystere on 02 October 2009 - 23:10
2012 is Austria
Adi: If you are attending the USA Nationals in Iowa, please introduce yourself.
Adi: If you are attending the USA Nationals in Iowa, please introduce yourself.
by Sontausen on 02 October 2009 - 23:10
But you're a good person to ask. You've done both. How do the WDS titles compare with SchH? Is it equal? Easier to pass? Harder?
Having shown different breeds in AKC conformation and obedience competition for a LONG time, I consider myself a supporter of AKC, and I would love to be able to include a SchH title on my dogs names when I enter them in AKC competition. Yes, it would probably freak out some people to see that and they'd throw a fit. But they need to get over it (LOL).
I think its just like any other sport: The rules are written and these are identical to IPO and SchH ( or they were when I trialed, which was in 2007) You can see the obedience and protection on YOUTube at
www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UiXWvPpjMA
www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQSncqcbdJk
Whether it is "easier to pass" etc depends on the judge and his or her interpretation of the rules. There are good knowledgeable judges in schutzhund thru the SV and USA etc, and there are also bozos I wouldn't show a stuffed dog to.
There are tough hardcore judges and Santa Claus judges in either venue. You have to train for the performance you want, and show under judges you respect. Sometimes you don't have a choice, but when I do, I'll choose judges I respect so that when I get a good score, I'll know I have really done something. I
As for WDS I would like to see it adopted. I don't hold much hope for it because as I said the "powers that be" are not htinking long term. Why are there so few trials? Because you have to get a breed club to put one on, and most GSD breed clubs are not only clueless about WDS or SchH, they are often afraid of it. And then you are restricted to using the designated helpers which must have been "trained" under the so called designated teaching helpers assigned by Landau and his ilk. I am in arguably one of the richest areas for experienced, even world class helpers, but none of them "qualify" under Landau's rules to work a club trial. Those he did designate are, as I said, largely crooks and incompetents, but they possess the one apparently important quality for being a dog trainer, a German accent. I don't blame the helpers here for shunning their "approval."
I use and enjoy the AKC. Is it perfect? Certainly not. But compared with other organizations, the consistency and quality of its services, many of which are free or very low cost, are unequaled. I know I can enter a trial in any part of the country and the obedience or tracking regs will be the same no matter where I go. I have recourse if there is misconduct from a judge or exhibitor, unlike USA where the good old boys just do what they please. If I qualify, I get a very nice Title certificate in the mail at no charge within a few weeks without even asking for it. Statistics are kept online for FREE and I can access my dogs' performance and breeding records any time for FREE.
I register my litters online for a small fee and get legitimate recognized paperwork in weeks, not months or years.
Its a big organization, folks, and deals with multiple sports and disciplines and hundreds of breeds, and does a pretty good job. If you don't like the sports the offer, don't do them, but I see it as a great place to showcase my well bred nice performing GSDs so the public can see what they are like.
Even IF WDS became wildly popular and established, it would not prevent USA or DVG or anyone else from holding the same trials they do now. Good grief.
Having shown different breeds in AKC conformation and obedience competition for a LONG time, I consider myself a supporter of AKC, and I would love to be able to include a SchH title on my dogs names when I enter them in AKC competition. Yes, it would probably freak out some people to see that and they'd throw a fit. But they need to get over it (LOL).
I think its just like any other sport: The rules are written and these are identical to IPO and SchH ( or they were when I trialed, which was in 2007) You can see the obedience and protection on YOUTube at
www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UiXWvPpjMA
www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQSncqcbdJk
Whether it is "easier to pass" etc depends on the judge and his or her interpretation of the rules. There are good knowledgeable judges in schutzhund thru the SV and USA etc, and there are also bozos I wouldn't show a stuffed dog to.
There are tough hardcore judges and Santa Claus judges in either venue. You have to train for the performance you want, and show under judges you respect. Sometimes you don't have a choice, but when I do, I'll choose judges I respect so that when I get a good score, I'll know I have really done something. I
As for WDS I would like to see it adopted. I don't hold much hope for it because as I said the "powers that be" are not htinking long term. Why are there so few trials? Because you have to get a breed club to put one on, and most GSD breed clubs are not only clueless about WDS or SchH, they are often afraid of it. And then you are restricted to using the designated helpers which must have been "trained" under the so called designated teaching helpers assigned by Landau and his ilk. I am in arguably one of the richest areas for experienced, even world class helpers, but none of them "qualify" under Landau's rules to work a club trial. Those he did designate are, as I said, largely crooks and incompetents, but they possess the one apparently important quality for being a dog trainer, a German accent. I don't blame the helpers here for shunning their "approval."
I use and enjoy the AKC. Is it perfect? Certainly not. But compared with other organizations, the consistency and quality of its services, many of which are free or very low cost, are unequaled. I know I can enter a trial in any part of the country and the obedience or tracking regs will be the same no matter where I go. I have recourse if there is misconduct from a judge or exhibitor, unlike USA where the good old boys just do what they please. If I qualify, I get a very nice Title certificate in the mail at no charge within a few weeks without even asking for it. Statistics are kept online for FREE and I can access my dogs' performance and breeding records any time for FREE.
I register my litters online for a small fee and get legitimate recognized paperwork in weeks, not months or years.
Its a big organization, folks, and deals with multiple sports and disciplines and hundreds of breeds, and does a pretty good job. If you don't like the sports the offer, don't do them, but I see it as a great place to showcase my well bred nice performing GSDs so the public can see what they are like.
Even IF WDS became wildly popular and established, it would not prevent USA or DVG or anyone else from holding the same trials they do now. Good grief.
by Adi Ibrahimbegovic on 03 October 2009 - 00:10
Nope, sadly no.
I just opened a new company and I am butt full busy with that, so can't leave and travel anywhere till at least spring. The dog still gets his 2 to 3 hours a day from me, but I am dog tired every night
People I train with, Rob Dunn would be attending (and competing, too) and his better half Jessy Gabriel would be attending and competing as well with her kickass female Aline.
My dog is still too young to compete and just to be a spectator, I can't. We will probably be ready for BH this December, 18 months of age and his Sch1 in February, but they'll all be local trials here in Texas, as I see them scheduled now.
Maybe I'll enter him for 1 in Regionals, just to get my cockiness kicked out of me and get more humbled, but then again I don't care about making an ass of myself, it's good for a laugh.
I just opened a new company and I am butt full busy with that, so can't leave and travel anywhere till at least spring. The dog still gets his 2 to 3 hours a day from me, but I am dog tired every night
People I train with, Rob Dunn would be attending (and competing, too) and his better half Jessy Gabriel would be attending and competing as well with her kickass female Aline.
My dog is still too young to compete and just to be a spectator, I can't. We will probably be ready for BH this December, 18 months of age and his Sch1 in February, but they'll all be local trials here in Texas, as I see them scheduled now.
Maybe I'll enter him for 1 in Regionals, just to get my cockiness kicked out of me and get more humbled, but then again I don't care about making an ass of myself, it's good for a laugh.
by Mystere on 03 October 2009 - 00:10
quote:" Maybe I'll enter him for 1 in Regionals, just to get my cockiness kicked out of me and get more humbled, but then again I don't care about making an ass of myself, it's good for a laugh."
For sure, schutzhund is a humbling sport!!
For sure, schutzhund is a humbling sport!!
by dcw on 03 October 2009 - 01:10
One question I have is in regards to our national team. Since the GSDCA is hosting the 2013 world championship, and there are only certain helpers and judges that have been approved for the WDS program, will all participants have to enter an AKC santioned trial in order to qualify for the team? It was stated that anyone can always enter any WDA, USA, DVG event, but what will GSDCA use as their qualifier for world team members? They have shut the door on the WDA, and certainly would never use the USCA. So what is left? The only thing apparent is the WDS which is barely functioning.
DCW
DCW
by ramagsd on 03 October 2009 - 01:10
The "anti-working" fever has been epidemic in the Minneapolis/St. Paul GSD Club. Before I got my pup, a working line GSD and was contemplating schutzhund - many, but not all the folks filled my head with images of fat men in leiderhausen stringing their dogs up on tables. "Schutzhund is an abomination!" Good luck getting that breed club to support the the sport. Glad I didn't listen. But my pup was 14 months old before i had the courage to go to my first club training. I lost friends. I haven't looked back!!!
What I don't get is WHY the AKC can't just recognize the Schutzhund title and not rename it as some thing else, knowing that it is recognized internationally? If A=B and B=C then A=C.
What I don't get is WHY the AKC can't just recognize the Schutzhund title and not rename it as some thing else, knowing that it is recognized internationally? If A=B and B=C then A=C.
by Adi Ibrahimbegovic on 03 October 2009 - 16:10
Ha ha, that's funny.
Now, you have my head filed with images of fat men, wearing lederhosen, with moustaches. Bottle of beer in one hand, ompah music playing in the background, throwing sauerkraut on dogs that are not doing hold and bark, saying Sheise and Dreck a lot and yelling at Hans behind Fritz, the helper: Nein, du must do dis und dis! Ja, ja, gut dog!
Now, you have my head filed with images of fat men, wearing lederhosen, with moustaches. Bottle of beer in one hand, ompah music playing in the background, throwing sauerkraut on dogs that are not doing hold and bark, saying Sheise and Dreck a lot and yelling at Hans behind Fritz, the helper: Nein, du must do dis und dis! Ja, ja, gut dog!
by TessJ10 on 03 October 2009 - 18:10
So GSDCA is hosting WUSV in 2013. Meanwhile, there's a draft proposal on deck for USA members saying that "USA members who are residents of the United States may not be members of, or be affiliated with, any competing German Shepherd Dog organization in the United States."
So if that's passed, wouldn't you say any USA member competing at WUSV in 2013 is therefore certainly "affiliating" with GSDCA? What a mess.
So if that's passed, wouldn't you say any USA member competing at WUSV in 2013 is therefore certainly "affiliating" with GSDCA? What a mess.
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