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by marjorie on 11 April 2012 - 04:04
Because politics is playing a role- a HUGE role, in who gets the research money,
and people dont have enough knowledge about DM to see this test for what it is, in relation to GSDS. Its the Emperor's New Clothes. No one who truly loves the breed, who has a thorough knowledge of DM would be shelling out bucks for a test that does our breed no good- they would be fighting like hell, just as I am, to see that research money benefit our breed- not another breed, not another's ego, not supporting outrageous claims, not supporting an automatic clear of progeny from two GSDS declared *clear* via this OFA test, when years of generational follow up have not been done and they have knowledge of a clear dog found to have DM upon necropsy. Its just HS! Why the hell would anyone with knowledge of DM support a test that says GSDM is ALS when it very clearly, is not- not even close????
Marjorie
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by marjorie on 11 April 2012 - 04:04
years ago Dr Coates believed that DM was a muscular disease brought about by gastrointestinal problems for which methionine would be the golden fleece. Of course, her research showed that was not the case- that was the research in which she only dx 3 out of 12 GSDS correctly, with DM upon necropsy. Not only was DM not a muscular disease, too much methionine is actually harmful to dogs. So- that was scenario one
now we move to present day.... DM is now a motor neuron disease, according to her, and it is ALS. never mind that the etiology doesnt match, the diagnstics dont match and the presentation of the diseases are polar opposites. Now, on the ofa site, under explanation of test results, it is suddenly being acknowledged that perhaps DM is not caused by the same things in different breeds.
I wonder what the next scenario will be- I wonder if it could be caused by the Gamma Rays in the Man in the Moon Marigolds... We shall see.... At this point, nothing would surprise me...
by beetree on 11 April 2012 - 10:04
by Blitzen on 11 April 2012 - 12:04
I and many I know are trying to do the right thing by DNA testing their breeding stock. We love the breed and are concerned about the future every bit as much as you. There are quite a few people right here on this board who own dogs with active cases of DM. We would be your strongest ally I promise you if you would not always imply that we are incapable of understanding anything much beyond how to tie our own shoe laces.
" No one who truly loves the breed, who has a thorough knowledge of DM would be shelling out bucks for a test that does our breed no good- they would be fighting like hell, just as I am, to see that research money benefit our breed- not another breed, not another's ego, not supporting outrageous claims, not supporting an automatic clear of progeny from two GSDS declared *clear* via this OFA test, when years of generational follow up have not been done and they have knowledge of a clear dog found to have DM upon necropsy. Its just HS! Why the hell would anyone with knowledge of DM support a test that says GSDM is ALS when it very clearly, is not- not even close????
This is the attutude I am talking about, Marj. It's never your message....honestly.
by beetree on 11 April 2012 - 12:04
Which brings me to wonder as well, what are your research qualifications? Degrees? I don't recall having heard this before, so sorry-- if you will be repeating yourself. You do not take the title, "Dr.", is all I know, really.
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by Gwenith on 11 April 2012 - 15:04
by marjorie on 11 April 2012 - 15:04
---ALS does not affect a person's ability to recognize touch."
---GSDM you can pinch the foot of a dog with GSDM, hard, between the toes (most sesntive spot) and they wont feel it!
how can this be reconciled with ALS not affecting the ability to recognize touch?
---ALS Patients usually maintain control of bladder and bowel functions
---GSDM patients lose both bowel and bladder control
---Not all familial ALS cases are due to the SOD1 mutation, therefore other
unidentified genetic causes clearly exist." In fact, only 10-20% of people with familial ALS have a change to the SOD1 gene.. What about the other 80-90%? Only 2% of people with non familial ALS have a change to their SOD1.
----The parts of the body affected by early symptoms of ALS depend on which muscles in the body are damaged first
Some patients first see the effects of the disease on a hand or arm
Other patients have difficulty chewing or swallowing
---GSDM always progresses from the rear, moving towards the front of the body. Difficulty swallowing only comes after the patient is down, both rear and front and the brain stem begins to become affected.
Frankly, I cannot comprehend how people cannot comprehend this, thus my belief that most peopple do not really understand DM, or perhaps, they dont want to understand it and dont want to take the time to educate themselves. Its just easier to believe what the monied publicity just keeps on pumping out while they continue to rake in the $$$$$$$$$$.
by beetree on 11 April 2012 - 15:04
by Blitzen on 11 April 2012 - 15:04
There is a very good discussion about DM on the germanshepherdhome.net breed board. I don't want to link the discsussion here, I think that's against the TOS, but I 'm sure a little surfing around that site will allow you to read it all. Marj has offered some very interesting points. I have to say I enjoyed reading them very much and wish we could intiate and maintain a more civil discourse here on this somber topic.
by beetree on 11 April 2012 - 16:04
AND, Marjorie are you a qualified researcher? I seem to have missed the answer to that?
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