Color Trend When Breeding - Page 6

Molly sorry to misunderstand you, I thought you said it is not a desired color to be produced by any reputable or responsible breeder. If anybody produced this dog at this point and it was verified, it would be a freak happening so it wouldn't have anything to do with a person being reputable or responsible as a breeder. A person can't "plan" to breed this type of dog because there currently isn't a known point of reference to start. Just struck me perturbing that someone would pass a reputable or responsible tag on somebody that produced something that can't be planned. I guess we all look at things from different perspectives...no big deal!.

"Responsible" and "reputable" are favorite words used by those who frequently pass judgement on others, but are beyond reproach themselves.  Both terms are entirely subjective to one's own personal perspective and experience as a point of reference, but always with the negative connotation that puts you in the category of being neither responsible nor reputable.  So, in their effective use, these two words are brought out to imply a sense of guilt and inadequacy, a thinly veiled accusation, like some kind of woman jedi mind trick.

what I said -

Brindle is NOT on the list of acceptable/registerable colors, for the SV nor the AKC registrations, for the GSD breed. Therefore it is not a desired color to be produced by any reputable, responsible breeder. If I had a brindle pup in one of my litters, I'd be doing instant DNA testing on all puppies and parents too. But it won't happen - when I see a brindle-marked GSD-looking dog, I assume it is not purebred. So far this has not been proven wrong (no brindle GSD has been proven purebred to my knowledge in recent years)

molly

what I meant in my post -

that "responsible, reputable" breeders would not be breeding FOR such a color that is not an accepted color to the standard.  Sorry for the miscommunication.  And then I go on to say "if I should produce a brindle pup, I would have it verified as purebred (along with the parents) before assuming it was.  Same with any other brindle (or odd-colored GSD) - it would be verified/dna tested along with the parents before I would believe it was purebred.  I think, Gustav, that we agree with each other - same thoughts, different wording.  My wording could have been clearer.

molly

What about if a blue, liver or white showed up in a litter?....would any of these "colors" be acceptable in your breeding programs?
What if "your" dog is known to produce these color variations in their litters.....would the breeding dog, then be "acceptable" as a breeding partner?
I am asking this because the topic is about "Color Trends"......and I find it interesting regarding opinions when it perhaps could be pertaining to your very own dog. It is easier to say "nay" to others....but for a moment...let's consider it your very own.
How would the situation be if the dog in question.....was the "total package" for everything else....but "produced" those "undesired & non acceptable" color variations?  Would one allowing such "colors"...be a responsible breeder in your opinion then?
I am interested in reading others point of views.....
Robin

allowing those colors - no.  producing them from parents who are normal colored, without the knowledge that they would produce the color (blue, liver, white) - sure, how could you avoid it?  If this happened to me (never has, hopefully never will) I would "cull" the odd-colored puppy - and no that does not mean kill it - it means making 100% sure it is never used for breeding.  I would then try to determine which parent the color came from - if that is possible - and never repeat that breeding again.  I would have to be sure which dog it came from before eliminating that dog from breeding alltogether - unless there were other reasons not to continue breeding that particular dog.

In closing no, as a breeder who tries very hard to breed to the standard and follows the "rules" of breeding dogs proven to be breedworthy in the first place - I would not "allow" or "accept" these colors in my program.  I hope never to see them, and would be shocked if they did "pop up".

molly

The question of the OP could also be flipped.....   with Sable being the dominate color in the GSD,  aren't the Show lines  obviously breeding for color when they are so predominately black and red?  The answer it would seem would be yes, especially with the many many "V" rated sable/ bi color and blacks that are passed by the SV each year.   While Bl tan/red are much less common in the working world there still are a number of them out there, some even being used frequently.

Thanks Chris (Silbersee) for the excellent info, well stated also.

Molly.......what IF the dog "produced" these colors repeatedly with any partner.......would you continue to "use" the dog in your breeding program??...even IF the dog was everything else you wanted it to be?!
My question is in regards to ANY dog male or female, SL or WL in regards to "unacceptable or non desired" colors.......nothing more.
I found the topic interesting....and with all the "do as I say, not as I do"....in the dog world, I thought perhaps others would reflect an honest opinion, when it refers to their own dogs & programs...(instead of anothers).
*Please remember*...do not take my question as "personal" to any one person,...I am asking this question for everyone to answer.
Thanks,
Robin

That's a pretty good observation windwalker.  Of course it depends on whether you're talking about the breeding over time that got us to the schism we're in now, or the idea of breeding differently from what's presently in place.  Any showline breeder currently doesn't have to think about color pattern (there's only the one option), but then they consider deeper detailed matters such as the extension of masking, richness of pigment, and so forth --all the while working characteristics still taking a back seat, I'm sure.

Molly.......what IF the dog "produced" these colors repeatedly with any partner.......would you continue to "use" the dog in your breeding program??...even IF the dog was everything else you wanted it to be?!

MY answer to this question for MY program would be no - I would not continue to use or make available to use a dog that produced off/unaccepted/undesireable colors repeatedly with any partners.  Just as I would remove the dog from my program that produced any other serious fault to the standard repeatedly when bred to any partner.

molly