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by nonacona60 on 30 August 2010 - 19:08
A single strain of fur from a sable patterned dog, has more than one color on it..That is what the term sable means......"More than one color on each strain of fur"
Most are black sables because the color furtherest from the body is black. I have seen sables where the color furtherest from the body was red, therefore it was called a red sable.....In all sable colored dogs, the lightest color on each strain is closest to the body......
There are dogs that have saddles that are sable in color....These are also considered sables because the fur that makes up the saddle pattern has more than one color on each strain of fur....However, this color pattern should not be used to describe a washed out saddle....
I did not start this thread to cause problems or make trouble. It the ones who reply that turned it into what it has become......Obviously I do not know everything and I am not afraid to admit it.....But I do know alot more than some on here who proclaim to know alot, but yet never have anything educational or value to contribute about the breed. Everyone can learn from everyone else.....Its just a matter of if the information is worth learning.....
by Myracle on 30 August 2010 - 19:08
The problem with using the word sable at all is that sables have TWO-TONE hairs.
The dogs whose color we are calling "sable" have THREE-TONE guard hairs.
Which is precisely why the originator of the breed preferred to refer to dogs of these color patterns as "wolf", "grey" or "agouti".
Agouti specifically refers to three, or more, bands of colors on the hairs.
The dogs whose color we are calling "sable" have THREE-TONE guard hairs.
Which is precisely why the originator of the breed preferred to refer to dogs of these color patterns as "wolf", "grey" or "agouti".
Agouti specifically refers to three, or more, bands of colors on the hairs.
by nonacona60 on 30 August 2010 - 19:08
A single strain of fur from a sable patterned dog, has more than one color on it..That is what the term sable means......"More than one color on each strain of fur"
Most are black sables because the color furtherest from the body is black. I have seen sables where the color furtherest from the body was red, therefore it was called a red sable.....In all sable colored dogs, the lightest color on each strain is closest to the body......
There are dogs that have saddles that are sable in color....These are also considered sables because the fur that makes up the saddle pattern has more than one color on each strain of fur....However, this color pattern should not be used to describe a washed out saddle....
I did not start this thread to cause problems or make trouble. It the ones who reply that turned it into what it has become......Obviously I do not know everything and I am not afraid to admit it.....But I do know alot more than some on here who proclaim to know alot, but yet never have anything educational or value to contribute about the breed. Everyone can learn from everyone else.....Its just a matter of if the information is worth learning.....
by Myracle on 30 August 2010 - 19:08
See my post above.
2 colors per hair = sable
3 colors per hair = agouti.
How many colors do your "sable" dogs have? Mine has three per guard hair.
2 colors per hair = sable
3 colors per hair = agouti.
How many colors do your "sable" dogs have? Mine has three per guard hair.
by Sock Puppet on 30 August 2010 - 19:08
sable=black. Look it up. In websters dictionary.
by nonacona60 on 30 August 2010 - 19:08
Thanks mudwick.....Thats what I am talking about.....Just didn't want to make it more complicated for those who have problems understanding.....I tried to make it very simple....
by Sock Puppet on 30 August 2010 - 19:08
Show me where it says more than one color on a single strand of hair?
sa·ble
/ˈseɪbəl/ Show Spelled [sey-buhl] Show IPA noun, plural -bles, ( especially collectively for 1, 2 ) -ble, adjective
–noun
1.
an Old World weasellike mammal, Mustela zibellina, of cold regions in Eurasia and the North Pacific islands, valued for its dark brown fur.
2.
a marten, esp. Mustela americana.
3.
the fur of the sable.
4.
the color black, often being one of the heraldic colors.
5.
sables, mourning garments.
–adjective
6.
of the heraldic color sable.
7.
made of the fur or hair of the sable.
8.
very dark; black.
Use sable in a Sentence
See images of sable
Search sable on the Web
Origin:
1275–1325; ME < OF < MLG sabel (cf. late OHG zobel ) < Slavic or Baltic; cf. Russ sóbol', Lith sàbalas; ulterior orig. obscure
sa·ble
/ˈseɪbəl/ Show Spelled [sey-buhl] Show IPA noun, plural -bles, ( especially collectively for 1, 2 ) -ble, adjective
–noun
1.
an Old World weasellike mammal, Mustela zibellina, of cold regions in Eurasia and the North Pacific islands, valued for its dark brown fur.
2.
a marten, esp. Mustela americana.
3.
the fur of the sable.
4.
the color black, often being one of the heraldic colors.
5.
sables, mourning garments.
–adjective
6.
of the heraldic color sable.
7.
made of the fur or hair of the sable.
8.
very dark; black.
Use sable in a Sentence
See images of sable
Search sable on the Web
Origin:
1275–1325; ME < OF < MLG sabel (cf. late OHG zobel ) < Slavic or Baltic; cf. Russ sóbol', Lith sàbalas; ulterior orig. obscure
by nonacona60 on 30 August 2010 - 19:08
Describing color question....
by Sock Puppet on 30 August 2010 - 19:08
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<<Show me where it says more than one color on a single strand of hair?>>>
Ok Mudwick, I'll leave that up to you, since we have both contributed the same information....Obviously SP just wants to debate this, and he will probably listen to you, because I don't know anything......
by Sock Puppet on 30 August 2010 - 19:08
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<<Show me where it says more than one color on a single strand of hair?>>>
Ok Mudwick, I'll leave that up to you, since we have both contributed the same information....Obviously SP just wants to debate this, and he will probably listen to you, because I don't know anything......
by Sock Puppet on 30 August 2010 - 19:08
"More than one color on each strain of fur"
Your words. I know what it means but do you?
How many years you been breeding?
Your words. I know what it means but do you?
How many years you been breeding?
by vonissk on 30 August 2010 - 19:08
Here is my black sable. If bred right yes I know she would produce black because her mom is a solid black and her dad is a black sable tho not as dark as her..jpg)
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