Combining show dogs with working dogs - Page 6

One of the best showline dogs i have ever seen was a dog called Niko and it belonged to a lady Jackie Rienhart and you can see this dog in Gottfried Deldei'training veideo.This dog had more attitude than lot of the working dogs.Awesome dog,so there are some good showline dogs that you come across sometimes.There should be more.have a nice one.

Also, Hans i like your example as well.I think those Bohemia people seem to do pretty good with their dogs.Have a nice one.

The pedigree, color, or titles of the dog does not produce show/working dogs.  Champions are made they are not bred.

Champions are made from god damn hard work on both the handlers and dogs participation in the different venues of the dog show world; whether it be german shows or herding,rally, conformation, obedience, etc.  The worst conformation dog can still produce a nice conformation dog and finish the championship(s) in all venues of the canine working world. 

Yes it is nice if the parents are (V) rated, however it does not mean they will produce properly conformed dogs all the time.

I feel you need to start with temperament, structure, health.  If you have all of those, you will have a dog that can and will do anything and win.

 WOW!!! This is like a comedy of Bipolar disordered without medications !!!! He he he 

Super nice dog!  Best "working/temperment" bloodlines in German Show Line dogs......Eros./Mutz lines.  IMO.
Congrats to the breeder!  Proud example!
Robin

Some of the best show line dogs I have seen (as far as work...drive, hardness, courage) are ones that are not well-known.  Why? Because they are too busy WORKING to be heavily campaigned for SHOW, they do not come from big name SHOW kennels, they do not produce litter after litter of dogs that go to show homes.

Also, we must not forget that just because a dog is working line, it is automatically more sound than a show line.  I am constantly told that everything revolves around genetics and yet my working line dog is soft, nervy, has some neurotic behaviors, and won't tug on raw steak!  So does that mean all the famous, successful, oft-bred to dogs in the pedigree are not great working line dogs?  Why does genetics only count against the dog when the dog is a show line?

For me it's really a matter of priorities.  My priority is training and work.  Doesn't matter if my dog is a working line, a show line, or a mutt.  Because I do not breed, I have the luxury of not really giving a rip about the pedigrees and the politics.  If I were to breed, like I said before I would be looking at sound working lines with excellent conformation.  I personally feel there are plenty of working lines with amazing anatomy already out there and would not be crossing in show lines simply for their structure and type.  I feel that when each dog brings something totally different to the table, all you're going to get is a watered down version of both.  Why not select dogs that BOTH have great work and great structure?

Nans gsd - examples please.

I had a beautiful working girl,my service dog of all service dogs,  her conformation was OK;  eyes/hips good; but she hated the show ring, crawled on her belly her first show and all was decided not to show her as she hated it.  However, this bitch brought me the phone, opened all doors and closed them for me, trained HERSELF in protection. an produced 2 litters of  9 puppies, several which finished their championships AM/CAN/INTL champions; some liked the show ring, some did not of those two litters.  But her service, gentleness, some great conformation was passed on in her progeny.  She herself was never shown, but it did not matter in her progeny or grand progeny, now we are on our 5th generation out of her and still producing dogs that want to show, some do and some do not.  The temperaments are still great, their structure(s) are still great (including so far 4 out of 8 with good hips and clear eyes) and so far, good health.  I think we have now got something.  I'll let you know, they are only 7 months old.

So the combination of work and show if done properly can be very rewarding.  I really hate to see the separation of work and show as I feel they all should be good at anything they are asked to do; with proper training that is. 

I hope this explains my earlier post to some extent.  Temperament, structure, health.

thanks!
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I'm not a fan of the seperation either.

Ever since "the big split" poplehave been "wondering"about this same exact thing.

It won't happen. There are some showline dogs that can work and can work great - that's not the point and I love tosee those dogs. But, in GENERAL terms, they are a separate breed from a working line dogs. It's probably going to stay that way and I am fine with that. I believe the split is going to remain the big split and the longer it remains that way, the harder it will be for showline breeders to get ANY working abilities of those dogs. Remember, genetics can only go so far. The dog has to train and work throughout his life!

Quote --- One of the best showline dogs i have ever seen was a dog called Niko and it belonged to a lady Jackie Rienhart and you can see this dog in Gottfried Deldei'training veideo. ---end quote.

Well... you sure chose an example here!

Once Schutzhund USA got accepted into WUSV,Jackie Reinhart was a first female to compete at WUSV championship for USA (and win!) at that event. I believe it was 1988 or 1989, too lazy to check. I wonder what happened to that lady?