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Hi Ulli
Just like you english is not my first language, but still i understand it allright.
You did`nt offend me in any way, and i hope you will suceed in what ever you are doing.

Viele gruesse Kim

Ulli, you have always been the consumate individual in your posts. I have "great respect" for your opinion because your opinion is always "balanced" and without the drama. Your knowledge is also superior about the breed both now and then. I understand your position and I don't have any problem with your position. Hell, If I lived in Europe I would be a SV member because of my long involvement in the breed and the "tremendous" contribution SV has made to the breed. I equate this to the GSDCA(German Shepherd Dog Club of America) who kept their head in the sand about the working abilities of the breed until the United SCH Club of America got off the ground thirty years ago and started presenting to the public the breed again in a working mentality. Eventually the GSDCA had to form their own WDA(Working Dog Association which is arm of the GSDCA) because too many people had left the GSDCA and the public looked at their organization as place to get Foo-Foo German Shepherds. Now the WDA and the USCA are both seeing the advantages to uniting for the betterment of the German Shepherd. It has taken some 35 years for this to evolve, but I hope to see the unification because both side need to be united for the breed!!
In closing, Ulli never question my respect for your views as I wish you would comment more often to give good perspective and knowledge to issues...Peace!

Kim and other enthusiastic new members of RSV2000,
would you mind answering a question for me, and if need be in German:
Do you think it is ok that leading members of the new organization lie and cheat? What kind of example will that be for aspiring people and GSD fanciers who are still idealistic? What kind of sign will that set for the international community?
Why does that new organization feel the need to keep things so secret? For example: How many members are there? 400?
Do they keep memberships secret, so they can still use the SV clubs to train?
What do you think about people swearing that they are not members of the RSV2000, so they can participate in national events? At the same time, they are introduced as LCC?  I wonder if they can still look at themselves in the mirror at night?
Does anybody care to comment on that?
I will: What a shame that a newly founded organization leaves such a bitter taste in people's mouths. And they are supposed to be soooo much better than the bad officials of the old organization!!
Our breed needs a lot of improvement and the way to do it is to vote deadbeat officials out of office, not to water efforts down with a new renegade organization! And the worse thing to do is to squander membership fees with frivolous lawsuits (Dr. Raiser).
Chris

There is nothing secret about the RSV2000 membership list. It is internal club information, just as the membership list of USCA is. In fact, as a member of USCA I am not privileged to receive a full listing of other members in that organization because the information is "private", as I've been told. SV doesn't publish a membership list. Why should RSV2000? If you want to know who the members are, join us.

Aqua,
please read my post again!!!
I do not care who the members are. I wanted to know how many members there are. That would be an interesting fact for the VDH membership which is probational right now as you know. If you are a member of that organization you will also know the stipulations set to be a full member club which is cause of an outrage right now  among some as they have that phobia that the SV had something to do with it (nonsense of course).
I have no problem with that newly founded organization except for the way the leadership justifies some irregularities.
If you don't know what I am talking about, let me be more clear: Gerald Groos! On the RSV2000 homepage and his own (unless he took it down lately), he is named as LCC (head of competence center) but in the last issue of the SV magazine, it was published that Mr. Groos declared in writing that he is not a member of  RSV2000. Why did he do that? Because he wanted to compete in the FCI qualifyer. Another lady who is a member of the RSV2000 and has the "balls" to stand up for it, was banned from showing in a regional trial, due to SV bylaws. I do not want to name her here, but I have nothing but admiration for her courage. Something, Mr. Groos did not have! My guess is that he will continue as an SV member until the year is over, as the SV membership accepts cancellations only when the year is over. I am sure he will start his leading position with your organization officially next year. As your organization put in writing regarding this issue: Some things are not easily understood at first glance for the general membership! For me, that sounds very arrogant and creates a two class system right from the beginning. To start an organization on deceipt and secrecy does not speak highly for its leadership! And if they all have the same character as Mr. Groos, I wish you good luck!

David,
I do not expect any answers here. They could not even be given satisfactorily on the German forum. What I clearly read there is that some members and prospective ones are truly disenchanted already and demanded answers. Lots of damage control for RSV2000 to be done!

Chris

Hi Chris,
you actually took my thoughts a little further, I just could  not get myself to be this open. Anyways, you made some good points. There is also something else that is rather interesting, some of the RSV breeders still like to have the "nice pink SV" papers on their pups, and work their way around to get them. It is this inconsistency that throws me off, either stick with what you believe in all the way through, or leave it at that. But I guess, it is always a lot easier to pick the cherrys and condem the rest.
Regards Ulli

 What a lovely name "cherry pickers" and so appropriate