Gone But Not Forgotten - Page 6

Ah hah!  So that's where those evil roosters came from...your evil black face pecking hen!  LOL

From Ken vom Elzmundungsraum to evil roosters - this has been one of the more interesting topics! Excellent posts Blitzen, thank you. - I had never heard about the steroid issue. 

 I think the point about vaccination certainly has to be considered - CSU in Fort Collins CO did a study a few years back which did indeed seem to support the premise that over vaccination of animals could lead to health issues. It made a lot of sense to me because I had been going to an holistic veterinarian for years who had been saying the same thing. I still don't think you can rule out genetics, and I still think the currrent gene pool is far too small for comfort, but I  will concur that other factors need to be looked at. 

Uber Land, your hen sounds like a good Schutzhund prospect.....

Interesting how this thread got off topic. My guess is that nobody can answer anything specific. It is all guessing, just like genetics is. Conclusion: It takes knowledgable and reputable breeders to take on the responsibility of our next generations.

As to the vaccinations: I agree! For years, I have only vaccinated the puppies I kept twice: at 12 and 16 weeks, and it so far has always worked for me. The puppies I sell will receive a vaccination at 7 to 8 weeks, unless otherwise requested by the new owner!

Wishing everybody a healthy dog,

Chris

That was our point, Silbersee. We need to share all informations, the more we know, the better of our breed is. It's not about putting down this or that dog, working or show line, but about haveing all the info infront of us, and making knowledgeble deecision when comes to choosing our next breeding. Genetics likes to play tricks every now and than, but all can be in some extend controlled, and prevented as long we have all the parts to the puzzle.

Thank you for agreeing with me, snaper. I still would like to have a link to your research that workinglines area healthier than showlines. In turn, I can show you some links on the German GSD workingline board which complain about health issues (especially othopedic) in workinglines.

Blitzen always makes sense! :D

Oh and how about not feeding crap like Iams, Royal Canin and Purina...

Silbersee I do  not keep a database for my research, unfortunately, I would love to share it with you if I would but I don't. This is something that I am researching for self education. Most of my research was pointing out towards organ issues, kidney failure, heart problems, and short life spam work vs. show. I didn't ever here of back problems being more prevalent in working lines vs. show line, I would love to see some of your research on it, if you have it, if not than this will be definitely something that I will look into on my own time. From what  I know about skeleton issues, it has a lot to due with environment, and bad nutrition, even though a lot of people look closely in genetics to explain hips issues  I am not totally sold on that idea as of today.

You saying that orthopedics issues are more prevalent in working lines, I think is fair to say that working line environment places more stress on skeleton than show line. Wouldn't you agree? If so than it wouldn't be fair to say that it would be expected that working line dogs may have more skeleton issues over time.

Snaper, so am I correct that you just have a "hunch" that workinglines are healthier than showlines? If that is the case, you need to state that clearly in your statements, as this would be more accurate. Let's just leave it at that.

If you can read German, please go to: www.schaeferhund.net and register as a member. You need to disclose your full name, address and SV membership number in order to read all areas of the board. Once you have done that, I will give you the links about orthopedic issues. The owner of this board requires full transparency. It just might help you with your research.

As to most orthopedic issues, it is not clear how much is genetic and how much is environmental or congenital. Just like a lot of other ailments. See, it works both ways. Have a good day and happy research!

Snajper is making a lot more sense than you are Silbersee. Working lines are far superior to showlines in every way possible. In terms of heath, life span, courage drives and character. I had a working lines who died last month at the ageof 15. My female Showline is suffereing from all kinds of allergies and health issues. She is Line Bred to Ursus Von Batu and Jango. Working lines are much more healthier than showlines.