Anyone know Kevin v Murrtal? - Page 6

Just a word about Kevin - he's very handsome and I've seen him at two Seiger Shows, watched his progeny group line up - good looking dog with what seemed to be a nice temperament.   His protection work - so-so but that's coming from a person who values strong, powerful protection work above looks.

V-Geronimo v Olympus - here is a dog that is the total package.  Not VA, but (for me) who cares.  He's solid V in structure - and V is "Excellent" - good enough for me.  GORGEOUS dog in every way possible.  Temperament to die for.  He's unflappable - solid, absolutely perfect temperament and nerves.  Enough drive for the work and the main thing - he goes forward into the grip with strength, has a good calm grip and is not affected by the threat at all.  SUPER all-around excellent dog who should be bred to improve structure, pigment, temperament, nerve and soundness in the Show-line GSD in this country.  I have bred my show-line female to him and hope to do so again.

molly

Waht does ppI & ppII  consist of?   I'm still not clear on why you don't OFA your breeding stock.  You mention something about no rating system but that's what OFA is, they rate hips & elbows.  I am confused about your guarantee, why don't you offer a guarantee on pets?  Which of the pups would be considered other than pets & what type of guarantee do you offer for them?  How does it work if you don't believe hip dysplasia really exists?

You state your male is a SAR dog who has found a child an elderly person and 2 teenagers, but he has only been trained basic tracking?  What agency do you work with?

All reputable breeders of Malinois x-ray both hips & elbows on their breeding stock and submit ot OFA for rating.  In fact, Malinois breeders are very fearful their breed will become overly popular and unscrupulous breeders will start breeding them without proper health checks such as OFA hips & elbows. 

You mention you have first hand knowledge of hundreds of GSD's who's hips xrayed poorly but had no hip problems.  You even state you've never seen bad hips on GSD's.  Well, use the search function on this or any GSD message board & you will find plenty of heartbreaking cases of bad hips.

If you can't sustatiate the claims you make on your website, aren't you misleading the public about your dogs?

If you have proof of your claims regarding hip dysplasia you will revolutionize the thinking of all breeders.

To everyone out there..............please do not compare me to Omega Shepherds.  I learned the hard way about them with my Heidi as Louise and I talked out via email...they told me to breed her anyway...after her prelims and 2 year OFA diagnosed right hip dysplasia!  Needless to say I had her spayed.  I got very lucky with Maverick.  Yes he is plush coat with a full/dense under coat....does he have an extreme long coat ..no.  It seems that many people are unaware that the SV decided it isn't the standard not that many years ago --- and in GERMANY they have a club similar to the SV dedicated to the long coats.  The issue with the coats in Germany was that some of the long coats do not have the dense undercoat and are not as for lack of better wording: not as weather resistant.  I am not here to argue with anyone .... we all love our dogs and want the best for them.  Some people say they only true good GSD's are involved in Schutzhund and are Schutzhund titled....lets remember Schutzhund is GREAT but it is a sport -- by saying the above ....we are placing extreme limitations on a breed that is so very versatile and has the capability to do anything.  My dad's K9 was not Schutzhund titled but he was one of the top 5 police dogs in NY state for patrol, SAR, and narcotics............so if we go by the theory of some.....he was not worth breeding or even taking a second look at because he wasn't involved in a SPORT?    

At the last Sieger show (USA) I watched one Schutzhund 3 dog drag his handler across the field and at the Sieger show in Germany (August 2007) one of Henkle's dog practically ran away from the first helper!  I will tell you one thing for sure...that would NEVER happen with Maverick.  Schutzhund dogs aren't all bad, many are phenominal.  I am not putting it down in any way  -- I am simply saying that there are many avenues to pursue with a German Shepherd and just because you may not choose to go down one particular path does not make that dog any less of a GSD.

Anyway like I said I am not here to argue --

I am not a part of Omega Shepherds!

I do OFA, I do lab work to test their liver function, pancreatic function, thyroid panel, test for mega, their eyes are checked and cleared, temperment test, extensive training/working  ... on and on before I would even consider to breed a dog. 

I think that we should not be so critical of one and other --- we all want what is best, some people have different opinions than other people and that is ok as well.

Anyway .... I hope that everyone has a great day  --- ohhh and Louise your dog is very handsome.

Alisia

You saw 2 dogs that you did not feel performed up to par.  If you check out breed surveying you would see it does require a working title, not necessarily a schutzhund title.  There are also herding titles, SAR titles and Police titles.  I'm a little surprised that you as a breeder are not even aware of what the SV requires or why.   I'm glad your dogs are therapy dogs, but that surely does not qualify as a sufficient test of the GSD.  While therapy dogs are wonderful it doesn't really test much about the breed,

I don't think we are being hyper critical, rather we are trying to protect the breed by following the rules as set by the stewards of the breed, the SV.   These rules are in place for good reason, much thought goes into how to keep the breed to a  standard.  The least we can do is follow the rules.

Thanks, Molly and Blitzen for the good PR and everyone for their kind comments and inquiries about Mr Nimo.

I've had showlines (at first, AKC part German/part American and, then, all German lines since 1989) since 1964. Over the years, I've worked very hard to have dogs conforming to the breed standard and to have show dogs that can and do work--and that have achieved credible working titles. I would never settle for less.

Here's my old German guy who had it all:

Sue,

I am aware of the above, I did not think I need to spell it out.  Anyway ............ I am sure that you are doing your best to protect GSD's --

By the way I mentioned 2 that does not mean that is all that I have seen.  Yes my dogs are therapy dogs -- and a lot more but I did not think I needed to spell that out or defend myself from a stranger behind a screen.

AGAIN I am not putting down Schutzhund!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I don't know how to make it any more clear !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Do what you think you need to do -- think what you want to think and that is fine.  Obviously you don't know me and what I am about -- I am sure if you did --- your feelings would be different.  But what ever.  You can't please everyone in this world, nor will I try to.

Anyway, Live and let live.  Enjoy your dogs.

This is for KIT KAT AND Kmaot.......IN MOTION.....

You misunderstand, I don't think you are putting down schutzhund and I'm sure your dogs and you are very nice.  I am merely pointing out breed surveys don't require schutzhund titles.  There are other titles that will allow a dog to qualify for a breed survey.

YES I AM SORRY I did misunderstand.  Thank you for taking the time to clarify for me.    I have done CGC, TDI, and personal protection work with all of them.  I did have a lot of help with the protection work from my Dad who was a police K9 Trainer / Handler and his friend who was a military police K9 Trainer/Handler and then a police K9 trainer/handler.  I love them they could go from doing the protection mode to therapy work instantly or playing with my friends kids.  german Shepherds are the best -- there is no other breed that can compare.  If you want to see some pics and learn a little about us, you can check out my website.....Highlander German Shepherds (www.highlandershepherds.com)

Thanks Again,

Alisia

Louise, I think all good dogs should get the credit they deserve.  I never fail to speak up for the dogs I've met personally and know to be of the highest character - the Ursus sons I love the most, Nimo and Galaxy, and my first intro to a working line, Molly's Eagle. All fabulous dogs with impecable character. 

Please don't forget about tending when speaking of ways to demonstrate a GSD's worthiness. An HGH title doen't come in a Cracker Jack box either.