The decline of the German Shepherd character - Page 57

 only draging you into another bickering match  it happened all over

vk - I understand your dilemma here but may I suggest you read my defining comments on page 67 as a starting point.  I am not asking you to agree to my comments and if you decide to disagree and explain why then that is OK.  One point is that you are prepared to look into areas that perhaps you have not gone into in the past.

Have to go now , my battery is on it's last legs.

Mackenzie

@ mack, nope, i failed in yr request at least to my own standards, maybe the engineer in me that has high standards of discomfabulation.

what's easy is to write a list of traits i desire in a dog, problem is any dog with those traits will do and they are not strongly breed specific and even worse are prolly not what most gsd owners would desire.

kind of makes sense why i chose a dog that is unpapered to a breed registry and has an alleged single dose of another breed in it's ancestry. my needs aligned with the vision of a breeder, actually a shared theme of breeders that don't even know each other rarely sell to the public and are not part of the mainstream.

 

my ethic is that of the weiller ethic, a dog that matches the needs of it's people in a specific time and place in history, it is not the ethic of the historical preserver or purity fanatic that lives and breeds in a vaccum.

in summary it's a;

breed to need not a need to breed.

alienor said:If I want a killer that will never let go when it's being beat over the head with rebar then I'd go with a terrier. 

Joan said:A dog holding on while a psycho beats him with a rebar is a dead dog. Who would imagine a scenario like that? geezzus.  

I see that misquote of my statement  causes some serious trepidation in delicate minds of  people who do not  know how to read. Here is what I have said:

"​Some dog will attack only non threatening opponents who give up   but will not attack a man who will hit him repeatedly and painfully with a  rebar. That is determined by the dogs fight drive."

I will sipletonise this for some of you who get easily confused and offended .  Ther above sen tence  is an example describing a scale of fight drive. I have not say "will never let go" and I did not say "holding on while... " That is  your imagination  at work. 

I have seen, read and heard of  dogs in LE who got shot, chcked to death, drowned, stabbed, and kicked and  hit with fists and many objects including a rebar. THAT IS REALITY.Some will run if they can and some will not and just will get angry and change perps life or die . But will not run. If I have a pp or LE K9 I want the one who will not run - ever. I do not care what you want. If you want a  terrier got one. What ever. And  if my  example violates your delicate perception of the world then keep in mind that what I am talking about is a reality. In order to  stay on topic I will say that attitude of softness of softened culture  who will rather get a terrier is what causes decline of the breed.  The attitude of people who can not even talk about what dogs in pp or LE sometimes  go through in protection of their master and much less to train for it and breed  for it  causes pussification of the breed. That is what causes "The decline of the German Shepherd character"!  Take it or leave it. JMO.

Prager Hans 

 

" will sipletonise this for some of you who get easily confused and offended ."

i'm confused what does sipletonise mean?????

Simpleton #1 here.
Sorry to misunderstand you, Prager. But from your post above:
"kicked and hit with fists and many objects including a rebar. THAT IS REALITY. Some will run if they can and some will not and just will get angry and change perps life or die . But will not run. If I have a pp or LE K9 I want the one who will not run - ever. I do not care what you want. If you want a terrier got one."

Just saying, I've had terriers and they do just this. They get pissed off when they get bit, hit, whatever and they fight harder. Facing death is part of their job. My delicate sensibilities were not phased by this. But it certainly would be pretty rough for some people. Also, no, I don't think a terrier would be right for LE but that goes back to the INTELLIGENCE issue (sorry all you terrier lovers! ) but the gsd should be tough, trainable and have a level of discernment that I did not see with terriers.
So yeah, go get 'em with the never let go types. But they certainly aren't the only flavor of gsd's and just because one will back down in the face of getting hurt doesn't mean they aren't suited for some other equally important job due to their level of intelligence.
So I guess I'm agreeing with you. (Sort of. In a way. Maybe.)

Do you think the world revolves around you? Do you see this: "If I want a killer that will never let go when it's being beat over the head with rebar then I'd go with a terrier.".
Misquoting you, prager? Give it arest.

 Joan you are way off topic. 

 

And you aren't? With your insults and vulgarity? Is this on topic?...'l see that misquote of my statement  causes some serious trepidation in delicate minds of  people who do not  know how to read.' Overreacting like a little girl, aren't you? The decline of the gsd character is largely due to breeders who only produce puppies that are easy to sell to the pet market. Has nothing to do with people not relishing the thought of some rebar wielding psycho beating a dog to death because the dog didn't have the brains to let go and grab the guy in his junk.

As I said;... way of topic. And you still do not know how to interpret written text. I have not say nor am "relishing" any such thing. 

 get a life Joan