The decline of the German Shepherd character - Page 56

hate to be the bearer of bad news but sleeves, hidden sleeves, leg sleeves, undercover sleeves, and bite suits are all identical to the dog, one is not more "real" than the other after about the first time you use one on the dog.

 

the only difference is they can teach different biting styles, and targets, if you think that just becuase a dog is biting an undercover sleeve it is somehow more real than a dog biting an exposed one, you have been duped and have prolly duped a lot of clueless people.

Every body who trains already knows that. Training on bear flesh suks for the decoys, tho. And a muzzle doesn't let the dog enjoy the bite.

VK ARE YOU GOING TO LET A DOG BITE YOU FOR REAL I DONT THINK SO  THEN AGAIN MAYBE SO VERY LITTLE SENCE COMES OUT OF YOU

you would make sense of you responded to what i said instead of making up things i said. 

my point is your undercover sleeves etc do not automatically mean anything more about a dog's willingness to bite civil than any other piece of equipment, they are all equal to a dog, minus targetting and grip style.

This thread is drifting off topic again and going back to the bite work.  The thread is about the overall character within the breed and it's alleged decline.  If people are interested only in the bite work then they should go and start another thread solely related to that topic.  I hope that Admin uses it's influence to bring this thread back on track.

Mackenzie

 

mack, how on earth would assess character of the gsd if you exclude bite-work as a major component???

 

what parameters in your mind would you include to assess character - ability to herd sheep?, how well it stacks?, flyball?, trotting around a show ring, BH, AD??  good luck with that.

 

curious.

vk - I am not trying to lessen the importance of the bite work but this thread has been hijacked by this one topic.  The Character of this breed includes other aspects.

Just as a matter of interest how would you define the character of the breed?  I have defined how I see this but I have not seen another definition in the thread from posters with their definition.

Mackenzie

"Just as a matter of interest how would you define the character of the breed? "

 

that is a tough question for me to answer if you want an answer specifically relating to a gsd, my definitons seem to apply to all working dogs and i suspect all dogs in general if the bite work aspect is deleted.  good nerve, courage....etc just seem to non-informational and totally generic.

 

TBH you stumped me here if i am to give an answer that is not a generic canned answer that would not be equally true for about any other working breed if not any dog in general even a mutt.

 

honestly stumped, will have to think about a answer that is measureable, unambiguous, not chock full of poetic adjectives and is unique to the breed.

 

i can come up with lots of flowery words but i want them to be measurable/assessable, unambiguous  and unique to the gsd.

vk - that's a fair response considering that I put you on the spot.  Please take your time to give a proper and reasoned response, I look forward to reading your comments.

Mackenzie

first i am trying to write a description that does not include the word gsd, i then pictured a stereotypical, rott, mali, DS....and a bunch of other working breeds and my definition applied equally to them as well.

 

i then did a compare and contrast to other breeds, ie how do i differentiate between a stereotypical mal and a stereotypical gsd
(and what does that even mean), that worked but my defintion was only in comparison to something else and relied on heavy stereotyping  which is hardly a stand alone breed description of character.

 

i think i will just cut and paste some flowery BS hype from any other breeder web-site or just paste the temperament part of the breed standard, the first is just marketting and the second has the same problems with my own attempts, i know i can think it, but words fail at this point.

wanna help us out here?