The GSD must SPLIT away from The Alsation!

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by missbeeb on 15 February 2009 - 23:02

Bill, remember that hot, steamy shower of yours? Remember how you said it felt? Use it and let's UNITE... because we will need to, if this is EVER going to get off the ground.

No more bickering amongst ourselves... for the moment!

by Sue B on 15 February 2009 - 23:02

Bill (patrick) , Take note of the lines I have highlighted, take particular note of those I put into bold print. You dont consider the remarks you made below personal, condecending or sexist? As for the easier target , your friend David felt I had NAILED IT, but I didnt notice you having a go at him for agreeing with my sentiments.

Sue, This is a free vote, and you will have to accept that people will abstain, vote the way you least expect
and make people feel uncomfortable and guilty if it doesn't go the way you want. I hope you dont feel the need to sit under the Guilitine doing you're knitting looking in the basket to see who falls.

As for the easier target , your friend David felt I had NAILED IT, but I didnt notice you having a go at him for agreeing with my sentiments. With regard to PP (and no need for the F word) if that particular item has passed you by un-noticed then I reckon the breed is doomed.

Regards

Sue b

by BRADY BEE on 16 February 2009 - 08:02

BUMP

by patrick on 16 February 2009 - 09:02

Sue, I don't sit at my screen trawling every thread, every day, to do with dogs! So if the breed is doomed because I dont recognise the letter P, we may as well all pack it in and take up playing with Lego. O.K. O.K. I'd have sat under the guilitine! but I can't knit! and I think you fit the profile better than me. David didn't write the post! you did, so you got the reply. You still havn't grasped where you're comments could have been seen as, badgering or trying to shame people into voting. (other peoples words) but no different than, (uncomfortable or guilty) Sue if you feel I was condecending, personal, and being a sexist, please accept my deepest apology, It's not what you say thats important, it's how people recieve and translate you're message. Sue lighten up! as Missbeeb say's no bickering yet! That was a realy nice Shower! regards. Bill Owen.

by funky munky on 16 February 2009 - 10:02

As an ex affix holder i am not permitted to vote, those who can and do not should be ashamed and feel guilty. This is much too important a subject to not vote, one way or the other. This debate has been going on as long as i can remember, now we have the chance to decide one way or the other, everyone who CAN vote SHOULD. SueB, you keep on saying it how it is, i for one apprieciate your passion and complete honesty!!!!! liz

by Sue B on 16 February 2009 - 11:02

Funky Munky, Thank You Liz. If the breed was filled with more people like you it wouldnt be in the doldrums it is today and I wouldnt feel so desperately frustrated at the continual repetition of that show called Apathy. Moreover my greatest fear for this breed is the underlying threat of what a large percentage of this Apathy really relates to and Missbeeb so acurately touched on that in her one liner "Dont Cares" message above.
As I said I know there are those who genuinely 'Dont Know' and I can more than relate to that, up to 5mths ago I myself would have been voting NO. So I can relate to a transision process as well as to peoples right to have a differing opinion to myself. Despite what has been suggested here by others I value the opinion of those who vote NO as much as those who vote YES, I even value the opinion of those who are still undecided. What I dont value is those that shrink away from expressing any opinion whatsoever, I have never liked, accepted or respected Apathy and to old to start now. So rest assured Liz, I wont be changing anytime soon.

Bill, glad you enjoyed your shower but next time can you please chose to have it with somebody else!! I am now going for a long soak in the bath.

Regards
Sue B

by Videx on 16 February 2009 - 11:02

APATHY is the greatest enemy of PROGRESS.

by Mackenzie on 16 February 2009 - 12:02

Since my last post on the 15th February I have spoken to a few people who I consider reliable and it would seem that there is no plan to present alongside the ballot that David is organising. The best plan to fail is to have no plan at all. That seems to be where we are at. A ballot on it's present basis does not represent the wishes of all sections of our world and, like all previous ballots and petitions in this form the possiblitly of success is nil. The posts on the messageboard are deteriorating in quality, content and direction.

I will follow this dialogue for a little longer in the hope that someone with real knowledge, integrity and courage will pick up the ball and run with it. As for me, I am going to continue to enjoy the pleasure of my Bax v Luisenstrasse son and enjoy the breed closer to home which is outside the UK and nearer to the breed's homeland.

Mackenzie

by patrick on 16 February 2009 - 13:02

I did ask twice if anyone had the number of Affixes registered with the K.C. for our breed. I think this an important statistic if and when someone gets to negotiate with the K.C. with the results of the ballot. So I checked. There are 3135 Shepherd/ Alsatian Affixes registered over the last 30 years, The K.C. did not have the information of how many had lapsed/ not renewed to date. Say if 2/3 2000 Affixes have ceased that still leaves approx 1000 live Affixes. We have had 40 votes todate 38 for 2 against the split. If we put these kind of numbers to the K.C. we would not be negotiating from a position of strength. Anyone like to comment! It's possible plan B may be needed. Bill Owen.

by Mackenzie on 16 February 2009 - 13:02

There is a plan B that I think has a chance of working. I wrote to David Payne a few days ago but he has not acknowledged the mail.

If anyone wants info then give me your email address and I will explain.

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