God Sends Non-Christians to Hell??? (Dr John Lennox) - Page 5

YAWN.

Double yawn. Shtal do you have a wife?

(Proverbs 26:5) Answer a fool according to his folly, Lest he be wise in his own eyes.
It may sound like a contradiction but It’s NOT because the sense is different, we are not to answer a fool according to his/her folly in the sense embraces his/her presuppositions, but we are to answer him/her according to his/her folly and sense of showing were your presuppositions would go if hypothetically they were true, it’s like reflecting back your own philosophy so you can see how absurd it is and therefore it cannot be wise in your own eyes. It’s like I am not going to live in your house, I am just going to step inside for few minutes just to roll furniture and then leave, and it’s just a temporary reputation roll, internal critique. And if for some reason you say to me that there are no absolutes - you can argue with me but you can’t use absolutes - because there are no absolutes, and I am not going to embrace that standard, I will not answer according to your folly but I will answer according to your folly by reflecting the philosophy back to you. Actually if there were no absolutes, you couldn’t say there are no absolutes, you see how silly you are being…I am simply reflecting this philosophy back to you and you cannot be wise in your own eyes, you can see the absurdity of your own presuppositions. That said; I have no reason to continue, which I made conclusion for myself of this thread.

Hallelujah praise the Lord, lol, Shtal has left the building!!!!!!! (thread), lol.

I have said this a lot here. There is no way in fairy tale Gods green earth that this ^ is the same Shtal that has posted here for years. You will never convince me nor do I care if you even try. This simply is 2 different people. Like I have said since I caught you using 2 different names and you said it was your uncles brother cousin or whatever. I didn't particularly care for you saying that woman when you referred to Eve. It says a lot about you Shtal or Shtal's uncle. Like you we can draw our own conclusions and for me at least those are not flattering conclusions. You post 6 versions of different bibles and then you literally take a bible, pick one, and then treat it as fact. And you can't even see how having so many versions waters down the whole fairy tale. But when shown straight up facts you dismiss them with sketchy youtube videos and treat those videos as fact. Dinosaurs roamed the earth before man and you dismiss it because you know that it disapproves your whole life. There is scientific facts of this but you dismiss it and generally believe one creationist scientist who doesn't even specialize in that specific field of research and you treat it as fact but talk out the other side of your mouth because that one scientist is correct and dismiss all the other scientists who are actually correct. SMH. You use this site to pontificate and preach non-stop. For God's sake quit talking about this here. Go to a Christian bible born again site and have at it. Or better yet find an atheist forum and debate people who want to discuss this non-stop. You aren't going to convert us in a million years, no matter what you say or what bible verses you post. We aren't going to change the fact you have been so thoroughly brain washed you can't tell fact from fairy tale. You are withdrawing from this thread not because of absurdity but because notitsyou is tying you up in knots and all you have are bible verses to answer to his straightforward and concise points. So, as mrdarcy says don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

BTW, just for you.  http://www.atheistforums.com/ Convert them, okay?

Whoa!! I couldn't believe my own eyes mrdarcy said "Hallelujah praise the Lord" mrdarcy finally became a believer in God....well I guess my mission is complete my dear GSDAdmin :)

I don't recall Mr Darcy ever declaring he didn't believe, Shtal. You can be a believer yet still wish to see you stop making an ass of yourself.

So Shtal agrees that the world is exactly how God intended, sins and all.

The real question is why did God want it like this.

The real question is why did God want it like this.

Hi noitsyou, even thou I said I was done but if you sincerely would like to know I will go against my own will and reply in this thread. Don't hold me accountable, I will give honest answer. The Bible doesn’t spell out all of God’s reasons for creating Satan, but it is important to remember that everything God created was initially “very good” (Gen. 1:31), and things only went wrong when the devil rebelled against his Creator (sometime shortly after the creation week, not before as many believe), and then human beings followed suit. This is important since God did not create anything that was morally evil, and so He is not morally blameworthy for the evil that exists. Satan has no one to blame but himself for the choices he’s made.

Still, God knew this would happen in advance, of course, so He must have had a good reason for allowing evil into His creation. In the end, it must be worth it in God’s eyes to create a world in which He knew the devil and others would rebel against Him. I believe God is ultimately accomplishing a greater good through all the evil that the devil brings about.

We see in Scripture that God often permits evil in order to bring about a greater blessing. Consider what Joseph said in Gen. 50:20 about how God accomplished a righteous end through the wicked actions of his brothers, or how God used Satan to test Job so that he and all those who read his story could gain wisdom and be blessed. God even turned the greatest evil into the greatest good, when Jesus was crucified (Acts 2:23; Rom. 5:18–19). So even though Satan schemed to put Jesus to death and thought he was achieving a victory, it was this very act that God foreordained to defeat Satan and bring about the glorious truth of the Gospel!

God takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked (Ezek. 33:11) and does nothing unjust (Gen. 18:25), but, unlike us, God is sovereign and He knows all the good that will come out of permitting evil and suffering. God “works all things according to the counsel of his will” (Eph. 1:11), but that will is not arbitrary—it’s based in God’s essentially good nature (Luke 18:19). So we should see the existence of Satan as completely consistent with that.
Thank you for reading. Shtal.