Detection Dogs ... the need exceeds supply - Page 5

It´s more than refreshing, that especially you, Bubba, are asking for a standardized program for "working dogs" 

Sorry, had to mention this... you are right.

There can never be a standard program for training detection and medical assistance dogs .. that would not be feasible as the different types of detection and medical assistance are too diverse. If dock diving is a sport then why not something easier to train and more applicable to many breeds?? Something like a scent work beginners certificate would be useful and could be fun for those dog owners who don't have biting sport dogs. I am thinking about those dogs such as Beagles and Border Collies that would be great at such work ... maybe some poodles and terriers as well as they were all originally hunting or pest control dogs. Save the world from scoring and competitions ... just a certificate such as the CKC or like the BH. If you want more scent based detection and assistance dogs then a scent Kindergarten is the place to start them.

https://dogs4diabetics.com/standards/

Dogs that come from the guide dogs for the blind program have a higher success rate than bin run dogs according to the dogs4diabetics web site.

http://www.assistancedogsinternational.org/regional-chapters/north-america-adina/

http://www.assistancedogsinternational.org/faq-category/dog-breeds-behaviour/#what-breeds-of-dogs-make-good-service-dogs

There are a variety of nose work titles for pets, what the hell are you talking about. Get out from under yr rock.

What are pet IPO dogs looking for when they do footstep tracking?? A Great Pyrenees guarding sheep or goats in the pouring rain all night is a working dog .. a GSD doing IPO is a pet.

That's a big IPO chip on yr shoulder.

All breeds nose work training and trials for pets is the fastest growing dog sport in the world.

Take the IPO stick out of yr eye, yr not thinking clearly.

actully, todays IPO breeding, desiring social, softer, high balldrive dogs are producing more and more dogs suitable for detectionjobs

also dont see many KNPV dogs that would be suitable for seeing eye dogs etc LOL

IPO dogs are pet dogs VK4GSD ... they do no real work .. they play a game. Stop talking down about pet dogs unless you mean your own. The idea that biting dogs .. especially IPO dogs are better than any other dog is a laugh. Many police dogs are idiots just like their handlers. The superior dog has control of emotions and aggression until called on to use it's skills in the correct situation. If there is a breed with more drive and intelligence than the Border Collie then they would also make great detection and service dogs. The GSD is not the top of the dog world nor are IPO and biting dogs superior to dogs doing real and useful tasks such as livestock guard dogs and termite dogs. Other than the FH there is no real scent work in IPO and just like the IPO protection which is not real bite work .. it is all obedience. The dogs ability to do scent discrimination far exceeds the human ability to interpret and utilize what they can tell us and searching for a block of wood on an IPO footstep track is a waste of their talent.

Bubba, this was part of your initial post...

"There should be a non breed specific non profit organization that coordinates, tests and certifies dogs for cancer, explosives, and medical assistance dogs."

Now you say:

"There can never be a standard program for training detection and medical assistance dogs .. that would not be feasible as the different types of detection and medical assistance are too diverse."

Bubby, without being picky, but you can´t certify anything without any standards. When you started this thread you were spot on ( organization - testing - certifying ) now you are lost in ignarance again.

Different types of work = different standard programs  - pretty easy...

As long as there are no standards every owner is able to call his dog "working dog" - be it a "service" dog, a "medical alert" dog, a "PP" dog, or whatever.

I really don´t want to be depending on any untested / uncertified dog in case of life and health.
Using uncertified dogs only supports people who want to make a quick buck.

Hubba would turn a conversation about fried pickles into a rant about his clinical hate for IPO.

Hubba you can't get over this by yrself, get a doctor.

Susie .. at present there is nothing but a mash up of different organizations with different to no requirements. A service dog, medical assistance dog, or detection dog needs a basic skill set and certification. After that the training often and usually is quite different. Eyes for the Blind ( western USA ) and the Seeing Eye dog ( eastern USA ) programs are similar but are not the same and these programs are 60-70 years old. Assistance Dogs International is an accrediting organization but has no political power in the USA. The AKC would be the logical choice for such a certification program and that was the origin of the thread. As it stands all you need to have a service dog or medical assistance dog is a $60 kit from an internet site in most states. With no entry level certificate many of these "assistance dogs" are not even safe to take out in public and that was my reference to a BH or CKC type beginner certificate for assistance and detection dogs. See the link below ..

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/04/02/finally-colorado-is-cracking-down-on-service-dog-fraud.html

Seeing Eye has clubs through 4-H and College Clubs that train for the Seeing Eye Program.  The AKC could run a certification program for entry level "assistance and detection dogs" and their training for the specific type of work could layer on top of the certificate.  Many people don't have the money to buy a $20,000 medical detection or assistance dog and even if they did the supply of dogs does not meet the need .. back to where the thread statrted.