Shtal, I will not engage you any further until you answer my questions. Why did Hovind send a mineralized fossil for carbon dating and why was he dishonest about it? Why didn't he actually read the paper where he got his "evidence" that "carbon dating doesn't work."? Once you answer those questions, I'll go further with you. If you won't, don't bother posting anything else because you will be ignored.

Susie, thank you, I'm hoping the warm weather will do him some good, I'll try some treatments and I'm also looking at carts. I'll give him the most comfortable life possible, for as long as possible.

http://www.livescience.com/52481-modern-humans-reached-china-before-europe.html

Humans Exited Africa, and Trekked to China, Fossils Reveal

by Charles Q. Choi, Live Science Contributor   |   October 14, 2015 01:33pm ET

 

Scientists discovered 47 teeth from modern humans in Fuyan Cave in southern China's Hunan province that date back at least 80,000 years. Credit: S. Xing and X-J. Wu View full size image

Teeth from a cave in China suggest that modern humans lived in Asia much earlier than previously thought, and tens of thousands of years before they reached Europe, researchers say.

This discovery yields new information about the dispersal of modern humans from Africa to the rest of the world, and could shed light on how modern humans and Neanderthals interacted, the scientists added.

Modern humans first originated about 200,000 years ago in Africa. When and how the modern human lineage dispersed from Africa has long been controversial.

 

 

Previous research suggested the exodus from Africa began between 70,000 and 40,000 years ago. However, recent research hinted that modern humans might have begun their march across the globe as early as 130,000 years ago. [See Photos of Our Closest Human Ancestor]

One place that could shed light on the spread of humanity is southern China, which is dotted with fossil-rich caves. Scientists analyzed modern human teeth that they unearthed in Fuyan Cave in southern China's Hunan province, which is part of a system of caves more than 32,300 square feet (3,000 square meters) in size.

Excavations from 2011 to 2013 yielded a trove of 47 human teeth, as well as bones from many other extinct and living animals, such as pandas, hyenas and pigs. The scientists detailed their findings in the Oct. 15 issue of the journal Nature.

The researchers found these teeth are more than 80,000 years old, and may date back as far as 120,000 years. Until now, fossils from southern China confirmed as older than 45,000 years in age that can be confidently identified as modern human in origin have been lacking.

"Our discovery, together with other research findings, suggests southern China should be the key, central area for the emergence and evolution of modern humans in East Asia," the study's co-lead author, Wu Liu, of China's Institute of Vertebrate Paleontology and Paleoanthropology in Beijing, told Live Science.

These newfound teeth are smaller than counterparts of similar ages from Africa and elsewhere in China. Instead, they more closely resemble teeth from contemporary modern humans. This suggests different kinds of humans were living in China at the same time — archaic kinds in northern China, and ones more like modern humans in southern China.

The researchers said these findings could shed light on why modern humans made a relatively late entry into Europe. There is currently no evidence that modern humans entered Europe before 45,000 years ago, even though they made it as far as southern China at least as early as 80,000 years ago. The investigators suggested that Neanderthals might have prevented modern humans from crossing into Europe until after Neanderthals began dying off.

"It may be that that Europe was too small for two intelligent and behaviorally complex species that were seeking the same type of resources," study co-lead author María Martinón-Torres at University College London told Live Science. Perhaps Neanderthals faded away after dealing with thousands of years of isolation and harsh winters, and "maybe it was only at that time that Homo sapiens could finally make it into Europe," Martinón-Torres added.

Still, Neanderthals might not be the main reason for the relatively late entry of modern humans into Europe, said archaeologist Robin Dennell at the University of Exeter in England, who did not take part in this research. Instead, modern humans may have colonized the southern zones of Europe and Asia before the northern zones because the former were warmer than the latter, Dennell wrote in a commentary article in the Oct. 15 issue of Nature.

The jury is still out on exactly what triggered the dispersal of modern humans. "What is especially needed now is archaeological evidence (sadly lacking in Fuyan Cave) to indicate whether the initial dispersal of our species was caused or facilitated by cognitive developments (such as symbolism or complex exchange systems), or was simply an example of opportunistic range extension," Dennell writes in his commentary, adding that southern China could hold the answer.

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Here you go Shtal, another creationist caught in telling lies. But if you don't feel like listening to him get spanked throughout, at least go to the 15:00 mark and LISTEN to what science is and does, then come back and "school" ME on the subject!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq1x6JtueLA

Hey Shtal, I find it rather funny that you can't run away from posts so easily when they don't sink to the bottom. Why is it that you never take a challenge? Why is it that I do actually, or have listened to or read whatever it is you post, but you never reciprocate, or admit it? Why can't you answer my questions directly and head-on?? Why is that Shtal? If what you say is really "true", you should be happy to meet the challenge, don't you think?

I strongly 'second' what Travels is asking Shtal !

Hard to believe reasonably intelligent people still belive this creationist misinformation.  Science is real.  Guess all the education in the world can't help this type of belief system.........

I was raised Christian and my father was a college professor.  I am working toward my doctorate, I have friends who are both spiritual and scientists.  Please stop passing this creationist and intelligent design belief system off as fact.......

In my opinion, it's hard to believe intelligent people believe life came from a piece of rock then morphed into hundreds of thousands of different types of life all with different DNA. On top of that, they calll themselves a Christian yet don't believe the word of God, so are basically calling Christ a liar.


SMH.

IMO, its hard to believe intelligent people don't believe in dinosaurs because believing would not fit with Gods word (da bible) , BTW, man wrote the bible and those are not Gods words - those are mans words translated how many times?

GSDADMIN wrote: BTW, man wrote the bible and those are not Gods words


2 Timothy 3:16-17New International Version (NIV)

16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.