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by joanro on 12 September 2013 - 18:09
@ gsdnewbie: it makes absolutely no difference what the dog is bred for, my statement is true. Doesn't matter if it's a Pekinese, bulldog, or a Neoploitan mastiff; soundness, and lack thereof, is not limited to herding breeds.
by vk4gsd on 12 September 2013 - 18:09
"are you all PMS'ing women?"
this is the first time another guy has made me look like a knight on a forum, zdog yr my hero.
i think forums are a replacement for having real feelings, people will find a way to get themselves butthurt over anything.
zdog be careful, from what i see dog sports are almost all women competing and running them - you could get killed.
cool thread.
this is the first time another guy has made me look like a knight on a forum, zdog yr my hero.
i think forums are a replacement for having real feelings, people will find a way to get themselves butthurt over anything.
zdog be careful, from what i see dog sports are almost all women competing and running them - you could get killed.
cool thread.
by GSDNewbie on 12 September 2013 - 20:09
how many who think I am wrong have actually worked dogs on a daily or near daily basis and I am not talked walked around your farm behind your animals here and there or sports like ring and schutzhund?
Kyto, the newbie name was made ten years ago when I was a newbie to this forum, not to dogs...... How long have you worked with dogs and what is your background?
Kyto, the newbie name was made ten years ago when I was a newbie to this forum, not to dogs...... How long have you worked with dogs and what is your background?
by clc29 on 12 September 2013 - 21:09
This has been a very entertaining thread...LOL....PMs-ing...serioulsy zdog.....LOL.....and girls MEOW....ffttt...ffftt
Joan.....Are you saying a 16 hand Quarter horse is unsound and not fit for breeding because he can not perform as well as a 14.2 hand Quarter Horse in the sport of reining?
I think what Newbie is trying to say is there are different breeds that are more suited to performing specific tasks better than others......Sorry Newbie but the Belgian Shepherd of which there are now four breeds (Malinois, Groenendael, Tervuren and Laekenois) were originally bred to serve as herding animals and are thus part of the Belgian Shepherd dog class. Based on this one would have to assume that they have (or did have) the stamina required to be a herding dog.
I'll go even farther and say there are dogs within the same breed better suited to perform certain tasks than others.....For example......An 85+ lb big bodied GSD would have a harder time performing as a Disaster dog than a smaller more compact GSD.....not saying it couldn't do it....but I guarantee you it is harder for them. Does that make this dog unsuitable for breeding for this particular scenario probably (debatable to some).....Does it make this dog unsuitable for breeding for other tasks....IMO...depends on the dog.
OP....If you want to compete seriously at higher levels of Flyball....as VK says....get a different breed of dog... you'll only get frustrated and discouraged otherwise......If you want to play with Flyball get the dog you want and have fun with it.
Oh and BTW......I was the first person to dislike Kyto's post......I think it's unnecessary to be so snotty about pointing out the mistakes of others.
Joan.....Are you saying a 16 hand Quarter horse is unsound and not fit for breeding because he can not perform as well as a 14.2 hand Quarter Horse in the sport of reining?
I think what Newbie is trying to say is there are different breeds that are more suited to performing specific tasks better than others......Sorry Newbie but the Belgian Shepherd of which there are now four breeds (Malinois, Groenendael, Tervuren and Laekenois) were originally bred to serve as herding animals and are thus part of the Belgian Shepherd dog class. Based on this one would have to assume that they have (or did have) the stamina required to be a herding dog.
I'll go even farther and say there are dogs within the same breed better suited to perform certain tasks than others.....For example......An 85+ lb big bodied GSD would have a harder time performing as a Disaster dog than a smaller more compact GSD.....not saying it couldn't do it....but I guarantee you it is harder for them. Does that make this dog unsuitable for breeding for this particular scenario probably (debatable to some).....Does it make this dog unsuitable for breeding for other tasks....IMO...depends on the dog.
OP....If you want to compete seriously at higher levels of Flyball....as VK says....get a different breed of dog... you'll only get frustrated and discouraged otherwise......If you want to play with Flyball get the dog you want and have fun with it.
Oh and BTW......I was the first person to dislike Kyto's post......I think it's unnecessary to be so snotty about pointing out the mistakes of others.
by zdog on 12 September 2013 - 21:09
I'm not concerned, I train with mostly women and we all get along fine. Then again, they don't go looking in every sentence for a reason to be offended either.
by vk4gsd on 12 September 2013 - 22:09
i am a genius,figure this; different breeds look and act different cos they were invented for different jobs, oh wait none of the dogs we are talking about have jobs....
by GSDNewbie on 12 September 2013 - 22:09
I am not saying the gsd can do it and they cannot, I am about to get on a long important conferance call for a new job offer. I will just put this out there in gamer terms lol On wow if you have a boomkin with an average player they can heal they can dps and they can tank they are utility.... the warriors are a tank they do not heal, most regard them best for tanking over druid boomkin on prot spec because that is only what it was really built for..... when I have more time I will try to explain what I mean enough for you to get what I am sating later. Right now life is to busy for me to stay on here.
a gsd can jump but would suck doing it over and over and over versus a dog built lighter and square with less angulation like a mal. In horses a trotter is a sucky ride for what you would use for a walker or in jumping like you would use a warmblood or could not pull as well as draft but the morgan can do many jobs though cant pull as much as a full draft..... is anyone understanding what I am saying yet?
a gsd can jump but would suck doing it over and over and over versus a dog built lighter and square with less angulation like a mal. In horses a trotter is a sucky ride for what you would use for a walker or in jumping like you would use a warmblood or could not pull as well as draft but the morgan can do many jobs though cant pull as much as a full draft..... is anyone understanding what I am saying yet?
by Hundmutter on 12 September 2013 - 23:09
Newbie I think a lot of us would agree with you, (although the WoW
stuff is a whole new language for some of us !), what zdog seemed
unable to grasp is the differences between running a Flyball course
and just running at a Decoy !
You still goofed a bit over the origins of the Belgian Shepherds.
Best of luck re your telecon on the job offer !!!
stuff is a whole new language for some of us !), what zdog seemed
unable to grasp is the differences between running a Flyball course
and just running at a Decoy !
You still goofed a bit over the origins of the Belgian Shepherds.
Best of luck re your telecon on the job offer !!!
by joanro on 12 September 2013 - 23:09
Clc, no I did not say any thing about reining horses, in fact I didn't even mention horses...I was talking about breeds of dogs. Of course breeds of dogs were developed for different purposes, but just because a peke is bred to be a pet, doesn't excuse it from being unsound, not in my opinion. And the same goes for any breed of dog...it's like, how distorted can humans cause dogs to be and still not see it as deformed and against nature. Dogs are supposed to be able to run, jump, turn, bite, and function as nature intended.
by clc29 on 12 September 2013 - 23:09
Joanro.....I totally agree.....I know you didn't say anything about horses.....but I have years more experience with horses than dogs and find it easier (sometimes) to use them as an example when trying to express an opinion or comparison.
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