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by GSD Lineage on 24 August 2013 - 03:08
@Blackthorn,
That's a good question... about if the dogs with two copies of dominant black are blacker.
I learnt of these dogs on this site only, but I know I saw at least one breeding of two dominant blacks together on this site that probably resulted in some KK puppies. I wonder if they have ever tested this speculation. And now about this term "Lacquer Black" is interesting.
Was going to add this link to a thread with a good picture of a bleed through on a recessive black.
https://www.pedigreedatabase.com/forum.read?mnr=96798-bicolor&pagen=3
@ DanicaBeckefeld got you this one, below with tan between toes, note both parents are black...
That's a good question... about if the dogs with two copies of dominant black are blacker.
I learnt of these dogs on this site only, but I know I saw at least one breeding of two dominant blacks together on this site that probably resulted in some KK puppies. I wonder if they have ever tested this speculation. And now about this term "Lacquer Black" is interesting.
Was going to add this link to a thread with a good picture of a bleed through on a recessive black.
https://www.pedigreedatabase.com/forum.read?mnr=96798-bicolor&pagen=3
@ DanicaBeckefeld got you this one, below with tan between toes, note both parents are black...
by Dawulf on 24 August 2013 - 07:08
Look at this dog, decended form the last dominant black GSD Lineage posted... it has the greyish stripe on it's side!
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=735757-masteritca-so-slavjanskoy-dushoy
Same for this one...
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=1804041-zigerin-so-slavjanskoy-dushoy
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=735757-masteritca-so-slavjanskoy-dushoy
Same for this one...
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=1804041-zigerin-so-slavjanskoy-dushoy
by melba on 24 August 2013 - 10:08
Dawulf, the first I would not call black. Note the red/tan behind the ears.
The second dog also appears to have tan on the trousers.
I'm not sure what you would call them, but imo not black.
Melissa
The second dog also appears to have tan on the trousers.
I'm not sure what you would call them, but imo not black.
Melissa
by melba on 24 August 2013 - 10:08
Artania is odd looking to me. It appears that there is shadowing (reddish?) where tan would be, and dark dark black where the saddle would be? Very interesting indeed.
Melissa
Melissa
by vonissk on 24 August 2013 - 11:08
Also you guys if you look at the maternal grandmother V. Tusima I think it is spelled--on the 2 links Dawulf posted--she has a lot of red on her and maybe it is just the camera and lighting but her feathers seems to be kind of grayish colored.
Melissa I agree there is something strange looking about that Artania dog. Well IMO they are all strange looking nopt just the color but also their conformation. And if that is the way the dominant black color works, I'll stick with my recessive black dogs--their color is real black--I have seen black dogs with color between their toes but ours don't have that...........Not a great pic but this is my black 14 mo old puppy and there is a world of difference--IMO...........jpg)
Melissa I agree there is something strange looking about that Artania dog. Well IMO they are all strange looking nopt just the color but also their conformation. And if that is the way the dominant black color works, I'll stick with my recessive black dogs--their color is real black--I have seen black dogs with color between their toes but ours don't have that...........Not a great pic but this is my black 14 mo old puppy and there is a world of difference--IMO..........
by BlackthornGSD on 25 August 2013 - 22:08
I wonder if there is some sort of "seal" modifier that has crept in with the dominant black?
As far as bleedthrough on recessive blacks, I wonder if this is indicative of the "creeping tan" gene. Hypothetically, a recessive black dog could carry 2 copies of the creeping tan gene. A black from a bicolor dog would carry at most 1 copy of creeping tan. A black from 2 bicolor/black recessive parents would have no creeping tan gene. Hypothetically. If that is how the saddle pattern really works...
Christine
As far as bleedthrough on recessive blacks, I wonder if this is indicative of the "creeping tan" gene. Hypothetically, a recessive black dog could carry 2 copies of the creeping tan gene. A black from a bicolor dog would carry at most 1 copy of creeping tan. A black from 2 bicolor/black recessive parents would have no creeping tan gene. Hypothetically. If that is how the saddle pattern really works...
Christine
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