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by steve1 on 13 July 2013 - 05:07
No, I know you were not refering to me personally, But to the whole of us Guys posting, That is why i said what i did.
Steve1
by Blitzen on 13 July 2013 - 08:07
I've heard lots of stupid excuses for not xraying or titling GSD's before using them for breeding, but the reasoning in this thread takes the prize for the lamest. Why would anyone even think about breeding GSD's if they couldn't afford even the most basic health tests prior to breeding?
by Jenni78 on 13 July 2013 - 09:07
Troopscott, you're dead wrong. His ethics are under fire, and wrongfully so. I, for one, am not going to shut up and not play devil's advocate simply because I'm scared he might take Mailo off the market. Read Workingdogz post. Read what Hexe just posted, after assuming Russ and Parrish were/are going to do what Donna said they did/will. He's now "guilty by association" though no one (or very few) really know what is going on between Russ, Parrish, and Donna. To assume that Parrish and Russ are going to make a one time exception for HER untitled, un-xrayed bitch because she's special or something is a bit far-fetched, no?Hexe said: But she also shouldn't be flat-out aided in doing so by others who are considered to be well-respected individuals in the breed...and since I can't imagine that LTS would be audacious enough to falsely proclaim that Osborn permitted his stud dog to breed with one of her lacking-hip-&-elbow-certification females, then it would appear that this is precisely what took place.
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by workingdogz on 08 July 2013 - 15:13
Wow, Mailo sounds like a nice dog, but I have to admit I am more than a little
dissapointed that Parrish would allow a nice titled (or untitled) male of his to cover
a bitch that doesn't appear to have been OFA'd? Especially coming from a sire that
was evidently never OFA'd either.
I've been trying to make people think about this without having to be blunt and tell tales out of school, but I see people aren't picking up what I'm putting down. Unbelievable how people just jump to what they think is going on and give no benefit of the doubt to a couple guys who have never lied to us, and give extremely generous benefit of the doubt to LTS. Think about it guys...use your common sense.
by joanro on 13 July 2013 - 10:07
I raised two puppies from two different litters/breedings till thirteen months. Worked with them and had a "trainer" I thought was trustworthy come to the house and evaluate them for training and titling to a one. Asked him if he had the time for two dogs,, I didn't want my dogs sitting on the back burner because he didn't have time for them. He was adamant that he had the time. $10,000 and six months later, he asked me to keep the two dogs for a couple weeks while he and spouse played the dog show circuit or some such. I got my dogs home and was shocked, disgusted, saddened and angry at their condition, physically, mentally, and absolute avoidance and lack of ability to execute the most basic obedience; as in heel and sit. So, even tho I trained dogs for decades and titled some, age has imposed limits on what I use'ta be able to do. But I would say that anyone who HAS to rely on someone else to do the work for them; they are screwed before they start....because finding a trustworthy trainer is akin to striking the mother load in a gold mine. JMO and experience.
by Paul Garrison on 13 July 2013 - 10:07
I am sure LTS and Steve both think they are doing right by the breed and bettering the breed with what they do, and it sounds like they are on two different ends of a breeding standard and many would not want a dog from either of them for one reason or another.
There are judgments made here and none of you know the facts about the whole of it at all. Is any of it true? Is this breeding really going to happen? What would be the reasons Russ or Parrish would agree to such a breeding? What have they been told?
by Slamdunc on 13 July 2013 - 10:07
by Paul Garrison on 13 July 2013 - 10:07
I agree with you, and besides a SCH 3 means just that it is a SCH 3 it does not mean it is a good dog and for damn sure does not make it a protection dog. It means one can sell the puppies for more money.
by Jenni78 on 13 July 2013 - 10:07
Workingdogz is "more than a little disappointed" (oh, how will Parrish ever sleep at night?) and re-read what Hexe wrote in her defense of LTS; it most certainly does reflect poorly on them and it's bogus. I asked specific questions for a reason. Note, Paul asked almost the same questions. Perhaps, just perhaps, there is more going on here than LTS would like y'all to know, and it's at Parrish's expense and I don't like it. I don't know Parrish that well, I've never bred to his dog(s) (though I could have...because my bitch is WORTHY, and that's what he goes on, not $$ and certainly not popularity!), but I can say with certainty that PARRISH HAD/HAS NO INTENTIONS OF BREEDING TO ANY UNTITLED, UN-XRAYED BITCH. PERIOD. This b.s. needs to die.
Suffice to say, Donna can't answer my questions, or Paul's questions, because the answers would reflect rather poorly on her.
by Blitzen on 13 July 2013 - 10:07
I don't know Russ or Parrish, but if it were me I would not be happy to have LTS reporting on a public internet forum that my dog was going to be bred to an unxrayed bitch.
by kitkat3478 on 13 July 2013 - 12:07
I have heard through a pretty reliable source, (Parrish, himself), that;
THERE WILL BE NO BREEDINGS TO UNTITLED DOGS, UNCERTIFIED DOGS, TO MAILO, OR ANY OTHER SPITZENHUND DOG!!!!
OH, Sorry, I hate to burst the bubble of those that want to talk crap, without first finding out facts.
I told you all his phone number and e-mail was out there. IF any one was interested in facts, to ask firdt, before takong rumors and running with thrm,
but hell, that ain't half as interesting.
There is more to this than just simple, any old person with any old dog can breed to thrse dogs.
This guy didn't just fall off the turnip truck. He is an experienced, educated person. He knows HIS business, and it is his business.
I'm sure he has better things to do with his time than come here, and defend HIS self and HIS dogs reputations.
THERE WILL BE NO BREEDING TO THE "UN" dogs. End of speculations...
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