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by beetree on 22 April 2013 - 22:04
What's wrong with Purgatory...LOL? It is kind of like... Home base.... you know... gives you a safe spot while you figure out.... what's next...? And while you are there you have time to think about what you did wrong? Like going to your room when your mom was so mad at you she can't remember your name?
A good place for the party, I thought.... there is always this....
A good place for the party, I thought.... there is always this....
by BabyEagle4U on 22 April 2013 - 22:04
Unfortunately BeeTree, I will not be seeing ya'll at the Purgatory Party either. Shucks !! LOL
My soul will hang out with my physical body for as long as it takes me to accept my "real" death. As my life has passed by me - I didn't accept any of them yet - so I'm here still. BOO Although one was very close.
After my soul accepts my real death I'll prolly just hang out around my place for awhile or maybe go spook some people till some other soul I know shows up and pinches my arm to confirm the level of purity in my souls consciousness. Although I'm still debating whether or not I will cross over. I kinda want to stay earth bound as long as I can. Or at least till Jesus himself comes to round me up. LOL
I'm sure other souls got lost along the way too. LMAO
My soul will hang out with my physical body for as long as it takes me to accept my "real" death. As my life has passed by me - I didn't accept any of them yet - so I'm here still. BOO Although one was very close.
After my soul accepts my real death I'll prolly just hang out around my place for awhile or maybe go spook some people till some other soul I know shows up and pinches my arm to confirm the level of purity in my souls consciousness. Although I'm still debating whether or not I will cross over. I kinda want to stay earth bound as long as I can. Or at least till Jesus himself comes to round me up. LOL
I'm sure other souls got lost along the way too. LMAO
by beetree on 22 April 2013 - 23:04
In that case, boy am I glad you don't live any where near me!
by Shtal on 23 April 2013 - 00:04
Red Sable wrote: Shtal, why do you have to confess your sins to your Pastor?
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. (1 John 1:9). Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much. (James 5:16) Because sin wishes to remain in secret, and when we bring it out to one another, then we submit it to the light ... and the sin runs away from us because it cannot stand the light. James wrote to all brothers in Christ. In the confession there is power. It helps maintains the relationship with the Lord. Constant confession leads to increasing close relationship with the Almighty God.
Precisely…through the confession of our sins, our inner temple gets refining, that is our body, mind, soul and spirit…from sin and uncleanness.
You can read more about temple in 1st Corinthians (3:17, 6:19) and 2nd Corinthians (6:16)
In one of his earlier appeals to the heavenly Father, David exclaimed: " Have mercy upon me, O God, according to thy lovingkindness: according unto the multitude of thy tender mercies blot out my transgressions. (Psalm 51:1). The strength of first aspect of prayer occurs when we genuinely from our own heart speak to God; we appear to him “as is” or in the way we are, we admit, that I personally need Him, His love, In need of His forgiveness and cleansing. It is important to be open and honest with God, not to conceal anything from him, to be perfectly honest.
And the conclusion, Jesus said in (Luke 5:32) I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Also, Have you ever thought what salvation mean? And when you repent!
It means that you can/could be free from slavery of sin, and Jesus said in (John 8:36) so if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.
Thank you for reading
From Shtal
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. (1 John 1:9). Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much. (James 5:16) Because sin wishes to remain in secret, and when we bring it out to one another, then we submit it to the light ... and the sin runs away from us because it cannot stand the light. James wrote to all brothers in Christ. In the confession there is power. It helps maintains the relationship with the Lord. Constant confession leads to increasing close relationship with the Almighty God.
Precisely…through the confession of our sins, our inner temple gets refining, that is our body, mind, soul and spirit…from sin and uncleanness.
You can read more about temple in 1st Corinthians (3:17, 6:19) and 2nd Corinthians (6:16)
In one of his earlier appeals to the heavenly Father, David exclaimed: " Have mercy upon me, O God, according to thy lovingkindness: according unto the multitude of thy tender mercies blot out my transgressions. (Psalm 51:1). The strength of first aspect of prayer occurs when we genuinely from our own heart speak to God; we appear to him “as is” or in the way we are, we admit, that I personally need Him, His love, In need of His forgiveness and cleansing. It is important to be open and honest with God, not to conceal anything from him, to be perfectly honest.
And the conclusion, Jesus said in (Luke 5:32) I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Also, Have you ever thought what salvation mean? And when you repent!
It means that you can/could be free from slavery of sin, and Jesus said in (John 8:36) so if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.
Thank you for reading
From Shtal
by Shtal on 23 April 2013 - 02:04
Slamdunc wrote: Let's take a person that is a genuinely good person and devotes their life to helping others, unselfish, kind, caring and compassionate but is not a Christian.
Let me give you simple example; there are plenty examples in the Bible - but I will give you one, if genuinely good person like you said, but then if we would read what the Bible says in (Matthew 5:28) But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
But in other chapter/verse the Bible says about adultery and so we read in (1 Corinthians 6:9-10) Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
So it is very simple for genuinely good person end up in HELL.
Let me give you simple example; there are plenty examples in the Bible - but I will give you one, if genuinely good person like you said, but then if we would read what the Bible says in (Matthew 5:28) But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
But in other chapter/verse the Bible says about adultery and so we read in (1 Corinthians 6:9-10) Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
So it is very simple for genuinely good person end up in HELL.
by gouda on 23 April 2013 - 02:04
Hi red Sable
John 1:9 Because God is faithful and just He will will certainly keep His promise to forgive and to cleanse.
The guilt of sin requires forgiveness or pardon. God provided
forgiveness by means of the atoning death and ressurrection of Christ
Both forgiveness and cleansing come through confession BEFORE GOD.
James 5:16 CONFESS not to be taken as a command to confess every sin to another human being.
However,to ackknowledge when we have done wrong and to offer prayer for each other strengthens
our spiritual life.
Your brother in Christ
gouda
P.S You do not have to confess your sin to your pastor.
But if a christian does confess their sins to an other christian,if that person does not forgive
God will not forgive you.
John 1:9 Because God is faithful and just He will will certainly keep His promise to forgive and to cleanse.
The guilt of sin requires forgiveness or pardon. God provided
forgiveness by means of the atoning death and ressurrection of Christ
Both forgiveness and cleansing come through confession BEFORE GOD.
James 5:16 CONFESS not to be taken as a command to confess every sin to another human being.
However,to ackknowledge when we have done wrong and to offer prayer for each other strengthens
our spiritual life.
Your brother in Christ
gouda
P.S You do not have to confess your sin to your pastor.
But if a christian does confess their sins to an other christian,if that person does not forgive
God will not forgive you.
by Shtal on 23 April 2013 - 03:04
Gouda,
It is true that pastor is not the only choice, as long you find righteous christian person...Is just in our church, we have Elder Bishop, then Bishop, Pastor and deacon... I can choose any of them.
Also, don't forget this scripture:
Mark Chapter 11
24Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.
25 And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.
26 But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.
It is true that pastor is not the only choice, as long you find righteous christian person...Is just in our church, we have Elder Bishop, then Bishop, Pastor and deacon... I can choose any of them.
Also, don't forget this scripture:
Mark Chapter 11
24Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.
25 And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.
26 But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.
by Shtal on 23 April 2013 - 04:04
Gouda wrote: if that person does not forgive God will not forgive you.
I think this is a bit different subject, there are circumstances/conditions and/or depends what you had done; some sort of abuse, in cases like that church can decide, I am not going to talk on this subject on this thread.
You can read example what Paul did in (1 Corinthians Chapter 5)...You would have to read complete chapter, and in verse 5 it gives clear answer.
Shtal.
I think this is a bit different subject, there are circumstances/conditions and/or depends what you had done; some sort of abuse, in cases like that church can decide, I am not going to talk on this subject on this thread.
You can read example what Paul did in (1 Corinthians Chapter 5)...You would have to read complete chapter, and in verse 5 it gives clear answer.
Shtal.
by Hundmutter on 23 April 2013 - 05:04
RS
I know. You missed my point.
You said "Speaking of Hell, and Death ... which we will all experience ..."
My argument remains that those of us who do not think or believe as you do
will NOT 'experience' anything but maybe the beginning of dying ; death and
anything that you reckon happens beyond it is irrelevant in our consciousness.
That is without the other possibilities posed by other forms of religion.
And yet it is typical that Christians especially encompass everyone in such
remarks,as though no differences exist. I'm not asking you/ Christians generally
to go into a long list of alternates, btw, simply that you should remember to use
phrases like:
'Believers will experience'; 'Some of us are sure that'; 'I have a faith that'
rather than ' We ALL', during this sort of contribution.
I would put it to you that you would get equally sick of atheists or others
constantly assuming they/we were ' all ' the readers, and therefore not allowing
acknowledgement of your existence ...
I know. You missed my point.
You said "Speaking of Hell, and Death ... which we will all experience ..."
My argument remains that those of us who do not think or believe as you do
will NOT 'experience' anything but maybe the beginning of dying ; death and
anything that you reckon happens beyond it is irrelevant in our consciousness.
That is without the other possibilities posed by other forms of religion.
And yet it is typical that Christians especially encompass everyone in such
remarks,as though no differences exist. I'm not asking you/ Christians generally
to go into a long list of alternates, btw, simply that you should remember to use
phrases like:
'Believers will experience'; 'Some of us are sure that'; 'I have a faith that'
rather than ' We ALL', during this sort of contribution.
I would put it to you that you would get equally sick of atheists or others
constantly assuming they/we were ' all ' the readers, and therefore not allowing
acknowledgement of your existence ...
by Hundmutter on 23 April 2013 - 05:04
Shtal - oh that's all right then, it only applies to MEN ?
Male heterosexuals, I mean ? Anyone who has never
looked at a woman and lusted after her (even without
necessarily doing anything about it ) is free from 'adulterous'
thoughts so if they haven't done anything else nasty, a la
Slam's example, they get their free pass ? Presumably this
includes all babies, since they are too young to lust after
anybody ? You know you are talking complete bollix, don't
you ?
Male heterosexuals, I mean ? Anyone who has never
looked at a woman and lusted after her (even without
necessarily doing anything about it ) is free from 'adulterous'
thoughts so if they haven't done anything else nasty, a la
Slam's example, they get their free pass ? Presumably this
includes all babies, since they are too young to lust after
anybody ? You know you are talking complete bollix, don't
you ?
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