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by showshepherds4me on 11 April 2010 - 03:04
You don't own a GDS? Do you rent? Why are you here?
by Phil Behun on 11 April 2010 - 04:04
I have English Mastiffs and Papillons and am crossing them with Tea Cup Poodles to create Mast Tea Pappy Poos. I am the President of the MTPP Club of America. I am here, as you say in response to an ad for a stud dog that popped up while perusing the "General Message Board". Being as the ad was for a German Shepherd Dog I posed a question on the German Shepherd Board. The question would still be, why is this dog being advertised here as a stud dog? No health checks in fact bred before it was eligible, no work (that we know of) other than the word of the owner. Shouldn't the philosophy for breeding be to improve your breed? You tell me, should the "new and improved" GSD of the 21st century just be bred to sell pets or is the reasoning still to produce strong minded working dogs with sound health?
As far as breeding untitled dogs, it is commonplace within the Malinois community to breed dogs without titles. I don't set the standard or the rules. The rules for the GSD in it's home country are that they be titled before breeding. Not my rules, the SV's rules.
And, for the "new" member making their first post under a brand new name, where did I rip on Schutzhund? I've competed in the sport since the early 90's and if I decide that I want to get out there again, maybe I will, my choice. I can guaranty you one thing though, my partner and I will whip your ass. But, then again, another chicken bleep that has no name will be hard to walk the line against.
To the original ad poster, what is it you hope to accomplish with your breeding program? Why did you list your dog on the "Stud" dog page?
As far as breeding untitled dogs, it is commonplace within the Malinois community to breed dogs without titles. I don't set the standard or the rules. The rules for the GSD in it's home country are that they be titled before breeding. Not my rules, the SV's rules.
And, for the "new" member making their first post under a brand new name, where did I rip on Schutzhund? I've competed in the sport since the early 90's and if I decide that I want to get out there again, maybe I will, my choice. I can guaranty you one thing though, my partner and I will whip your ass. But, then again, another chicken bleep that has no name will be hard to walk the line against.
To the original ad poster, what is it you hope to accomplish with your breeding program? Why did you list your dog on the "Stud" dog page?
by faq2 on 11 April 2010 - 05:04
Phil,
I've been reading this board for the last several years and I've reached my limit of not saying anything hence the new name/new member. I did not say that you were ripping on Schutzhund. I said "why are you breeding your untitled dogs and always ripping on others for doing the same?" That specifically says you are always ripping on other people and you breed dogs that are not titled in anything.
Personally, I think the original posted GSD is a poor example of the breed and should not be bred based on the information provided. My breed is getting too watered down with people breeding for points. My dogs, however, are all titled and health/hips/elbows certified before I breed as well as the fact that I do not believe that Schutzhund is the ultimate test. I train my own dogs as well as client's dogs and schutzhund is the basic starting point to be able to evaluate a dog for breeding. Whether it be GSD, Mal, Rott, Dob, Boxer, Bull, or any other breed that some one would want for a working dog (schutzhund translated means protection dog) It is a fairly easy accomplishment to get with a dog of the proper temperament. You seem to think the Malinois is above any type of test for breeding but you are always so quick to put down GSD's that are not titled.
It may be commonplace in the Malinois community to breed without titles but IMO I would think that you, who open your mouth about other people's breedings would take a look at trying to prove your dog's worthiness. Or, to quote what you say "Shouldn't the philosophy for breeding be to improve your breed?"
Show us your scores. Oh wait... you don't have any with the dogs you are currently breeding so I guess you don't follow the philosophy you think everyone else should.
It doesn't matter the level, club/regional/national/world, it's a basic test/sport where or when people who breed for that perfect 300 point routine or only breed on the basis of high scores is truely watering down my breed.
PS: Guarantee..... not guaranty....
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I've been reading this board for the last several years and I've reached my limit of not saying anything hence the new name/new member. I did not say that you were ripping on Schutzhund. I said "why are you breeding your untitled dogs and always ripping on others for doing the same?" That specifically says you are always ripping on other people and you breed dogs that are not titled in anything.
Personally, I think the original posted GSD is a poor example of the breed and should not be bred based on the information provided. My breed is getting too watered down with people breeding for points. My dogs, however, are all titled and health/hips/elbows certified before I breed as well as the fact that I do not believe that Schutzhund is the ultimate test. I train my own dogs as well as client's dogs and schutzhund is the basic starting point to be able to evaluate a dog for breeding. Whether it be GSD, Mal, Rott, Dob, Boxer, Bull, or any other breed that some one would want for a working dog (schutzhund translated means protection dog) It is a fairly easy accomplishment to get with a dog of the proper temperament. You seem to think the Malinois is above any type of test for breeding but you are always so quick to put down GSD's that are not titled.
It may be commonplace in the Malinois community to breed without titles but IMO I would think that you, who open your mouth about other people's breedings would take a look at trying to prove your dog's worthiness. Or, to quote what you say "Shouldn't the philosophy for breeding be to improve your breed?"
Show us your scores. Oh wait... you don't have any with the dogs you are currently breeding so I guess you don't follow the philosophy you think everyone else should.
It doesn't matter the level, club/regional/national/world, it's a basic test/sport where or when people who breed for that perfect 300 point routine or only breed on the basis of high scores is truely watering down my breed.
PS: Guarantee..... not guaranty....
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by Phil Behun on 11 April 2010 - 11:04
by faq2 on 11 April 2010 - 13:04
So thats it? You put up a link for a dog you bought trained and titled by someone else and you just showed it???? What about the the dogs that you breed now with no titles at all? Oh wait i know.... its your dog and you think its a good dog and it should be breed because you want a puppy from it.
Hey Phil do you know what a b.y.b. is ? Or how about b.s.?
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Hey Phil do you know what a b.y.b. is ? Or how about b.s.?
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by charlie319 on 11 April 2010 - 20:04
Why Philly Boy: What are you doing in the GSD forum???? Your area of expertise seems to be the Malinois. What happened there, got run off?
The one thing I like about you is that you are bold in your statements, and they do speak of you... Particularly when you talk of "knuckleheads"...
Let me remind you that Gucci went to the WUSV representing Sweden... and was given a 280 in an earlier SchH-3 competition by a well respected judge. I hopw you won't try to tell me that the WUSV is judged by "show dog judges". I'm sure that you apparently have missed the opportunity to research the point.
Nice Mali... Where's your GSD?
The one thing I like about you is that you are bold in your statements, and they do speak of you... Particularly when you talk of "knuckleheads"...
Let me remind you that Gucci went to the WUSV representing Sweden... and was given a 280 in an earlier SchH-3 competition by a well respected judge. I hopw you won't try to tell me that the WUSV is judged by "show dog judges". I'm sure that you apparently have missed the opportunity to research the point.
Nice Mali... Where's your GSD?
by Phil Behun on 12 April 2010 - 00:04
NO DUMB-ASS. I want to train a dog that I bred. Get it???? Breed, raise, train and if I decide to trial,,,,,,,,,,,,title. How many dogs have you bred and taken to a championship level? That dog is 14 mos old. See, the difference being, I HAVEN'T ADVERTISED THE YOUNG UNTITLED DOGS ON THE STUD PAGE.
BTW, when was the last time a HOT dog won the big events here in the good 'ol US of A?? That being said, I think there are plenty of people who have taken the same path. I never intended to look for a "used" dog when I bought Taureau. I flew to California to breed one of my A'Tim daughters to him when he came over to win the 2006 NARA Cup. I liked him so much, I bought him from the guy and since he was just 4 years old, figured it best to campaign him instead of letting him just sit in a kennel and hump. Thanks for the concern.
BTW, when was the last time a HOT dog won the big events here in the good 'ol US of A?? That being said, I think there are plenty of people who have taken the same path. I never intended to look for a "used" dog when I bought Taureau. I flew to California to breed one of my A'Tim daughters to him when he came over to win the 2006 NARA Cup. I liked him so much, I bought him from the guy and since he was just 4 years old, figured it best to campaign him instead of letting him just sit in a kennel and hump. Thanks for the concern.
by Phil Behun on 12 April 2010 - 00:04
And, as you probably have found out by now, guaranty is a perfectly acceptable way to spell the word in the American version of what we call English. Maybe you should have checked with FAQ1 before you took yourself a new screen name.
by charlie319 on 12 April 2010 - 12:04
Guaranty is not the same as "guarantee". At least not in the context used.
Guaranty: an undertaking to answer for the payment of a debt or the performance of a duty of another in case of the other's default or miscarriage
Guarantee: an assurance for the fulfillment of a condition: as a : an agreement by which one person undertakes to secure another in the possession or enjoyment of something b : an assurance of the quality of or of the length of use to be expected from a product offered for sale often with a promise of reimbursement
Source: Merriam Webster Dictionary
Guaranty: an undertaking to answer for the payment of a debt or the performance of a duty of another in case of the other's default or miscarriage
Guarantee: an assurance for the fulfillment of a condition: as a : an agreement by which one person undertakes to secure another in the possession or enjoyment of something b : an assurance of the quality of or of the length of use to be expected from a product offered for sale often with a promise of reimbursement
Source: Merriam Webster Dictionary
by faq2 on 12 April 2010 - 14:04
Phil i have to say you are right about one thing you dont list your untitled dog as a stud dog, you just breed him in your own back yard.
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