
This is a placeholder text
Group text

by missbeeb on 02 March 2010 - 09:03
Yeah, I agree on the leadership thing! I really think we need a "Head Office" and nothing looks too obvious at the moment. I understand, from several sources, that the BC meeting was disappointing... so, I'm hoping that the GSDP can be looked to?
I don't doubt that things will change now, but I am severely disappointed with some of the Clubs that have signed, however, there's always the next "signing"... time for them to switch their allegiance.
It's certainly not the truth that I have a wee bit of a problem with facing the truth, Mackenzie and we all receive PMs, with a whole variety of content!
I am no fence sitter, Mackenzie. I've made my position perfectly clear... I will use the KC shows as suits me; they take my money, I owe them nothing.
The wheels of change, grind but slowly!
by Zac on 02 March 2010 - 09:03
I get that BDGSDA constitution states "the association is for the betterment of the breed" but the mandatory health testing you refer to is a separate issue. It is nothing to do with abiding by KC rules at dog shows! Exactly what is betterment and what is detriment is each individuals opinion. Personally, I dont think there can be enough mandatory testing but, equally, I dont think it needs to be mandatory to be done.
Back to the matter in hand: BDGSDA members held a perfectly legitimate vote. They decided 'you got to be in it to win it' and so resigning was probably the second worst thing you could have done. The worst being that you and your family should come on here trying to rally support for another meeting, offering to chair it when you have all just resigned! and fostering an attitude of 'them & us' in order to over turn the vote.
You could, of course, always form a branch of GSDLeague ............ thats a choice for you.
by Mackenzie on 02 March 2010 - 09:03

by missbeeb on 02 March 2010 - 09:03
That's what happens when you allow imbeciles to run the show, Mackenzie! That's the KC's role imo.
Well, you're allowed your opinion... you think I'm a fence sitter, I disagree and since your opinion is of no real value to me, it matters not in the grand scheme of things.
Things are afoot here, I will give them my full support and hope that the KC signers see the light before the next signing.
by Blerio on 02 March 2010 - 09:03

by hutch on 02 March 2010 - 09:03
At the EC meeting of BDGSDA it was agreed that the association should NOT sign the KC undertaking. This was agreed because it was felt that the KC should continue to discuss their concerns and the solutions to them with the Breed Council, BAGSD and the League as appointed representatives of the breed. The Association did not want to break away from the KC and had no plans to set up shows under non-KC rules. It was felt that forfeiting CCs for the sake of pressurising the KC into dealing with the real health issues in the breed rather than the smoke screen which had been put up by the KC in the form of the underatking to divide and conquer. It was also agreed that this decision should be put before the AGM for ratification. As the matter was unknown to non-breed owners in the main I was asked at the EC meeting to make a presentation to the meeting.
I prepared the presentation including all of the KC Press Releases and fully intended to cover their stance on obedience CCs - which is nothing short of blackmail.
At the AGM, this was put as the last item on the agenda. When it came to the item the Secretary read out the KC undertaking (which had most people switched off within minutes) and then read the e-mail she had from the KC re obedience CCs and then concluded - we can't sign this as the club will fold. I then asked if I could address the meeting as had been agreed and was told to be quick as we did not have much time left. We were very naive in believing that the EC intended to stand by their decision and did not see that they were going to act in the way that they did. However, we felt that we should abide by the decision of the meeting. We did not, however, feel that we could work with the EC as our trust had been very badly damaged and so we resigned.
Once we had time to take in the events at the AGM we realised that an association which has as it's number one priority the betterment of the breed had made a decision based on the money it gets from its obedience shows - based on a totally unfair threat made by the KC. If you drill down into the Association's accounts you will see that without the obedience show or the breed show it would need hardly any money at all to cover its costs and it could concentrate on it's key objective.
This would not mean to stop obedience - it is for the betterment of the breed to have facilities for owners to ensure their dogs are socially responsible. You can justify having other breeds allowed associate membership to help support the branch numbers and make sure that they can be self financing. (We have two branches that are self-financing and one which struggles - but that is a whole other thread).
The Association has hosted the Junior Rally Day for two years which again is for the betterment of the breed - introducing youngsters to all of the activities which they can partake in with their dogs and hopefully finding a few who will fly the flag for the breed when we all become too old. This activity does not require Association funds as it is funded by generous donations from breed enthusiasts.
Breed Shows - perhaps we would have to decide not to run them anymore as it is almost impossible to break even on them currently. Perhaps this is a just use of Association funds?
We just find it so hard to accept that the vote at the AGM was either fair or constitutional. We have worked with this Association for thirty years and have been on the EC for most of that time - as many committee members will know it is a thankless task at the best of times.
Any action we take cannot just say "we do not like that decision so we are going to use unfair tactics to reverse it" We are going to have to go back to the roots of the organisation and say - is our breed in the right hands in Birmingham?
Shirley
by Penny on 02 March 2010 - 10:03
to split, held too many large difficult and some impossible tasks immediately whilst keeping the show scene together for folk that love and enjoy it. Therefore, we would have floundered for quite a while, and whilst floundering, peoples dogs are getting older. Not everyone has kennels that they can pluck a nice winner out of every year, sometimes, its a chance in a lifetime, and if we cant move on quickly, and expediently, to show people that we CAN and WILL have a good showscene worth having, then we will fail. so I think, for my reasons certainly, that was why l put to bed the break away from the KC in one action to be done right away
Since then the KC have shown their true colours again and there is not an orgainsation in the UK more worth breaking away from - however, we have learned, we have listened to each other and we now have the foolproof system, of CHOICE. I am certainly not advocating that we all go down the route of "which type of show shall we go to this week-end" and toss a coin. If there is a show under WUSV rules that will be the place for me - and for sure, I shall not be collecting schedules like I used to, i.e. Blackpool, Southern Counties etcetc and these have just been mentioned randomly. We all know what shows we always attended as the Gen Ch committees did us a good judge, but however, if I respect the judge at a KC run show - then I will exercise my right to go under that judge. Just as Peterlee said about worthless Champions was the exact words I said at the AGM< - my Champion female is - without her SV qualifications behind her - no better than Joe`s dog next door, as the KC dont recognise that she is Fit For Purpose - so I totally agree with Peterlee, I wouldnt be going to the KC run show to particularly make up a Ch - I would be going to support and enjoy that particular judge who I would have great respect for - as that judge will be joining our system - for sure.
Peterlee, forgive that I havent got back to you personally re the constitution, I will explain why when I mail you this evening, but your work on this is very much appreciated, and more like you would be taking us nearer and nearer far quicker. I hope that others can see why we cant immediately leave Clarges St - I hope that faith will be paramount in what is being done, and the fact that we have this forum - despised by some - but very useful for debates like this for all - then it is going to happen. 25th April is the beginning and the Scottish PGSD had a lively, fruiteful and well attended meeting - the Midlands will be next to follow.
Look at Peterlee`s quote of the BAGSD constitution, and one would wonder why some of us used our shoe leather on getting a fair and square democratic vote for all members.
by Penny on 02 March 2010 - 10:03
by Mackenzie on 02 March 2010 - 10:03
Mackenzie

by jaymesie51 on 02 March 2010 - 11:03
jim h
Contact information Disclaimer Privacy Statement Copyright Information Terms of Service Cookie policy ↑ Back to top