Color Trend When Breeding - Page 5

Quote from Malcolm Willis, "The German Shepherd Dog - A Genetic History", 1991 edition, page 40/41:
The Extension or E series
.... e-br brindle ....
Although Carver (1984) confirms E and e, he had insufficient data to establish the others. It is certain that all 4 alleles exist in the breed though the brindle allele is very very rare. Ch Donna v. Allerheiligentor (b. 1924) was a brindle as was her son Igor of Ceara (b. 1927) sired bz Ch. Caro of Welham. The gene is almost lost from the breed but when present causes a black striping effect on the tan markings. ...

I personally have never seen it but who knows - genetics can be weird. Brindle is a beautiful color in breeds where it is common.
I am sure it is not a undesired color but nobody bothered to list it as a color because the gene does not really exist anymore, and if some dogs might have a few brindle like markings, that is just accepted.
BTW, brindle in Germany is not really described as a color but a marking pattern because in reality that is all it is - black stripes on tan/brown. In Germany we call that marking pattern "gestromt".

There may be many breedings from similar or same bloodlines thus you are seeing more of certain things more often ? 

However there are many sables that produce other then sable .  sable and/or blk.tans, .. if they have the black rec. they can also produce that .. and depending  on the marking and pattern genes that can vary as well.

People have been known to make a trend of anything..hopefully it isnt stupidity (G). and that is a joke not pointed at anyone.

Debi
www.sherman-ranch.us

My last two sable x sable litters produced half black and tan pups. I personally love a solid black or a bi, but you'll notice the two dogs I own right now are both sables. I buy and own dogs based on how they work and what their drives are, not based on color. I agree that most WL breeders will breed for workability vs color. Since sable is more predominant, you're more likely to find a good working sable to breed to. I was recently looking for a nice titled stud for my future breeding. I noticed an interesting "trend" among a few solid black stud dog owners ...all other aspects the same, they had higher prices on the stud fees of the solid blacks. I found this very interesting. It seems not every WL breeder is blind to color!

Just the good breeders!

sueincc

give it a rest

 

LD

take a nap.  Anyway I go out to train again in a little while, so you won't have to read my posts for long!

I have seen the same phenomenon in regards to higher prices being charged  by questionable  breeders who are advertising  blacks, dark sables (which they always call black sables) and giant  headed dogs.  As a matter of fact Hans Prager had a thread about this very subject not too long ago.   Here it is:
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/forum/30768.html?pagen=1

As I said, this is not a common practice amongst good breeders.

I guess "if" I produced a nice working brindle with genetic confirmation by DNA, then it would make me a nonreputable, irresponsible breeder, if I bred the dog......... Kinda makes me feel good that some view me this way.

If you bred  working dogs of any particular color just because you thought the color was unique or because  it would increase the value of a working dog to those who don't know any better  -   you bet!    

I'm not saying brindle is "impossible" either - and didn't say (don't put words into my post Gustav) that producing one means someone is "irresponsible")  - I said if I produced one, I would get the litter and the parents DNA tested.  And, I won't be holding my breath until someone does produce a dna-tested as purebred brindle GSD.

molly