Oli, a question for you? - Page 5

I find it very interesting that the mods have taken to slamming members in their comments.  I could copy and paste the comments but there is no need just look at the comments posted above.  I agree that some members have offered nothing to the forum except a political, racist and biased agenda.  Others do offer horrible training advice, perhaps they just do not know any better and lack experience.  From what I can see these are not the ones posting on this thread for the most part.  The ones complaining about the moderation have done it civilly and politely.  The ones complaining are the ones that have the good of the PDB at heart. 

It is a shame as the Moderator stated that Oli is too busy to spend a few minutes checking on his site.  I'm sure he earns revenue from this site and it is a business for him.  With that in mind I think he would be interested in what is going on.  It has been obvious that he is an "absentee owner" and is really not concerned with the day to day operation of the site.  But, as a good successful business owner knows you have to have your "finger on the pulse" and be available to customers and address their concerns.  The big problem is that the concerns are not addressed.  To the mods we are not all idiots that post useless political drivel, not all of us post racist or religious topics.  Some of us are here to discuss dogs and have knowledge to share.  If you as a mod are a long time member, you should know this.

Also to the mods, it is not a thankless job as you say because you are thanked on every thread. It has been said countless times that we appreciate your efforts.  We probably appreciate it more than Oli does, we are the ones that visit here on a regular basis.  We just want an explanation when someone is banned or posts are deleted.  That's really it.

FWIW,

Jim

Posting paralysis is right. I also agree 100% with Jim's posts.
Also I personally often research before I post  my posts here or give complex answer, which take time to make. I do it because i like to help and love GSD.  And then puff thread is  gone. I do not have time to waste. Thus I answer more serious questions in PMs or on my forum. I want to help but this here is out of hand. And again,  I do not have time to waste.
  Also I was accused here of what ever ( I do not dare to say, so that I do not get deleted and banned and chastised like a little boy) 8 pages worth of accusations quickly growing into 19 and then when I posted my polite and factual response it was promptly deleted. I guess my honor is not important to anyone but to me. Moderator said you have had chance to say what ever you needed to say, yes for 3 minutes then I got deleted and banned for a while. Slap, slap on the hand. Bad boy!. Post got deleted with bias note from moderator.
It leaves bad taste in the mouth. I like this forum and website, but I will not it support it as long as this is going on. like Jim I will make some short remarks if i see a problem, because I do not want people get hurt, but that is all.  
 Who  moderates moderators?
Prager Hans
 

I thought the same thing when your thread was deleted Prager.  If left everyone hanging with their opinions and you didn't get a chance to set the record straight. 

Oli said on  here that he can not be sued and that he does not have to delete those types of threads.

So, why are threads like that deleted?  Are we not allowed to question, disagree, and get hot under the collar once in a while?  Do we have to brown nose every one all of the time?  That  is not what made this board a great one.

It will become watered down, just like  90% of the shepherds out there.

This board is run like a communist country.

Hans,
You have been a complete gentleman on this site and have offered some excellent information on GSD's and pedigrees.  Your type of input is priceless to those interested in working line GSD's.  I can tell that you put a lot of time and thought into your posts it certainly shows.  In the past I have done the same in regards to training topics and trying to correct misinformation.  Lately, I feel it is not worthwhile to spend the time posting when it just may be deleted.  So, I'm left with making a comment that the "advice given is bad and don't do what that poster advised."  Now, I understand where some others are coming from, making short posts and pointing out flaws in training advice with out offering solutions.  I guess they realized that it is either not worth it or it just falls on deaf ears.  

I am glad that the political, religious, racist, bigoted OT posts are gone.  But there is still a lot of improvement that needs to be done.  IMHO, moderation needs to be impartial and it doesn't seem to be that way.  Lately I have noticed many new members asking questions and the advice is some cases is really bad and potentially dangerous.  Why should we care if Oli doesn't.  I also have a life a career and a family.  Oli is not the only one who is busy.  

Jim 


moderator comment: Well, I for one, AM NOT A QUITTER! I will not quit till Oli says we are done. We gave in to the pressure to be more lenient and look where it has gotten us! I'm going back to square one! That will mean NO OTs, no calling each other even the smallest names and the slightest move off topic will be deleted!

I belong to several forums (not all dog related) and I couldn't even say "You're crazy!" to someone about a statement they made! So, don't tell me how we are too strict here! You've complained when there were no moderators and you complained when we were given the abuse button and you complain about the moderators now.... NO PLEASING!

Yes, we moderators need to get on the same page! We know who each other are, so why keep pretending that we are not able to contact one another?! If Oli can't make us a place to talk then DAMN IT... Start contacting each other on our own! Are we not adults? Can we not come up with our own set of rules we can all go by? It's very frustrating to be at work all day or wake up and find a moderator or two has done some things and people are not happy. Yet, you know nothing of what was done for this action to happen but you're left to clean up the mess or to try and quiet things down! And the taking down of whole threads needs to stop! Once it starts to get out of control that when you delete those posts and then if those posters don't stop then ban! Don't hurt the ones who follow the rules IMO

And even the decent people who post are part of the problem! Especially those who have been here a while. You know when you post something whether it could possibly cross the line or not, whether it could be construed as something political or not, whether you're posting something off topic, talking back about a decision a mod made or posting an email (even if it's to prove your case of fraud) So why even do it in the first place? You know better!

Bye bye forums and thanks mod above for not giving up.

Mod,

Why was one thread about fradulent dog sales was left up....9 plus pages worth and mine was deleted and I was banned for an excessive amount of time to boot?  Looks kind of biased to me :)

Vickie
www.PowerHasuKennels.com


moderator comment: I do not know. I did not do it and I will not try and answer for another moderator.

 The problem is that moderators are inconsistent and arbitrary.  Many times they do not give a reason for a deletion.  I, myself, have had several posts that were neither political or religious in nature deleted without cause or reason given.  And for the record, I did not complain when there were no moderators.  I chose the more adult like course of responding only to threads/posts in which I had interest.

And still no DR! 

commerator comment: When we delete a thread where do you want us to explain it at? We do not need to tell you as you are an adult and can figure out after the 5th time deleted that whatever you are posting is not allowed. No you all have to push, well do you think we are going to hide. No we will push back. You guys are supposed to be adults.

 Please re-read as I stated that I have had several posts (not threads) deleted without cause or explanation.  One of them was a friendly post with a picture of the family.  They (with the exception of a couple) have been entirely appropriate and polite, though several of them questioned the moderators' actions.  Since you brought up acting like adults...Adults remove themselves from the topics of conversation that they find distasteful or disinteresting.  They do not feel the need to involve themselves in the conversations of others, private or public, in a effort to silence that which with they do not agree.  Adults engage in discussion and debate, not censorship.

moderator comment: We are not going to debate members and then be accused of debating members. If Oli does not answer these threads by the time he goes to bed. It means he will not answer and they will be deleted.

 See arbitrary.  

moderator comments: I was not the one that deleted your family pictures, but I do remember that at that time OT's were not being allowed and you posted it, so it was deleted. If you continue to argue you will be blocked. Consider this your last and only warning.