Describing color question.... - Page 5

testing you for keeping a civil  tongue in your mouth!LOL

Really?

How was that testing me? She is a dark red sable.

What about the meaning of life thread?

" If there is no such thing as a black sable explain why I can simply do a search and find many authoritative sites that list and illustrate a black sable!"



OHHHH Raymond..... Because the Internet is ALWAYS right!!!!
People have taken up the word "black sable" to describe a very dark sabled dog.... "almost black" to the untrained eye. In a whole, a sable is what it is..... At different extremes..... Still just a sable.


I think of it like this; Black and tan has different variations, from saddle back to bi color and everything in between.... Sable also has different variations, from light pattern, to the darkest sable (like Kim's Rookie) and everything in between.

THIS is why we ALL can find whet suits our liking best.

What about it? I gave an answer to your question without doing any research and relying strictly on my current knowledge!

Why does every thread have to become a battle zone.....?  We know that there are many so call self proclaimed experts. Just because they have owned MANY in the past makes them very knowledgable enough to carry on and argue a thread to death, only it never dies....Dam this forum is pitiful...

I agree many people have used the term black sable and know what they are talking about and think they are right...

Every person on this fourm can use the same word, but for each person it  can mean something different....Its a matter of interputation.....No one is right nor wrong....so whats the point in arguing, other than to be a troubemaker.....

In general, I think its appropriate to use the terms used by the originator of the breed to refer to "his" dogs.

Sable=black

That is the bottom line. No one is arguing except Raymond saying I do not know what I am talking about.

Look up sable in a dictionary.

Again no arguing here. I think you are trying to cause problems. With your vast knowledge of breeding I would think you could at least look the word up.

Just as the original breed has been changed to suit the wants of the breeders, the terminology has been changed also....I doubt that either will ever go back to the way the father of the breed developed it to be......Thats just human nature...nothing is ever good enough the way it is....There will always be the desire to change anything and everything....
Man just  "Can't let well enough alone"...

Yes I agree with you aaron and should have just let the cripple ole dog lay!So yogi I apologize to you sir!

I like this explanation..makes perfect sense...


Sable, known as grey in Germany, derives its name from a Euasian weasel prized for its fur of two-tone hairs. Sables have light undercoats and outercoats with black only on the tips of the hairs. Individuals vary as to how many guard hairs have black tips and how many lack the tipping. Dogs with most of the guard hairs tipped are known as Black Sables. Some dogs have a discernable saddle pattern to the tipping; I suspect these dogs carry the recessive saddle allele. Sometimes, you have to part the hairs to verify that it’s a sable. When I wetted my sable, the guard hairs clumped together exposing the light under coat and making her looked striped. Sables will appear lighter in winter than summer because of the dilution effect of more light undercoat in relation to the same amount of black. As puppies, only the very, very tips of the guard hairs have black; the color spreads down the shaft as it ages (or do they get darker when the replace the puppy coat? I’m not sure which is the correct mechanism)1. This is the only pattern that gains black as the dog matures. The original Rin Tin Tin was a sable. Indeed, in the early days of the breed, sable was the most common pattern.

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