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by Slamdunc on 21 July 2010 - 22:07
Max,
My gun is not "civil", but I am "civil". Yes, much like everything in dogs, breeding and genetics has a lot to do with it. Just as we discussed grips. Why would he mess with my dog? good question, I guess to see what the dog would do. He saw and won't do it again. My dog's temperament is about genetics, he is similar to his father: Dante Traho and his Grandfather, Cordon an Sat. However, his mother: Anita Auto Dam is also a strong dog and produced a lot of top sport dogs.
The only reason I am spending so much time on this subject is so many people still think that
if the dog is in your face out of control that is civil . When the opposite is true
I agree with this statement, sometimes your most serious and potentially dangerous dogs are not in your face barking. Sometimes, that can just be the dog's way of saying "hey, don't come any closer or I may bite you." Now, a screaming barking dog before deployment or when agitated, that can also be very serious. My dog becomes very quiet when he targets a person and locks on. I need to tell him to bark, because he just wants to engage. Some people do not realize what they are about to be dealing with because he is so quiet. But, he means business. Much of this needs to be seen, firsthand in person for most people to understand.
We may be discussing the same things with slightly different terminology. I build civil drive, differently. the dog realizes that I can be a very bad person and has to react when told. Focus and control are paramount. The dog also has to stop and become controlled again.
Regarding the K9 guys getting bit by our dogs we have an expression "that our look of concern looks like this 
"
if a handler gets bit decoying or messing with some one's dog it is usually their own fault and we have all been there. We don't get too excited over it, it happens. Most of the time it is a self correcting exercise.
I like the new avatar BTW.
Jim
by MAINLYMAX on 21 July 2010 - 22:07
by Sangreinu on 22 July 2010 - 07:07
by MAINLYMAX on 22 July 2010 - 14:07
Banned
by 4pack on 22 July 2010 - 20:07
Waves at Jim.
by MAINLYMAX on 22 July 2010 - 20:07
by Slamdunc on 22 July 2010 - 21:07
How's that baby doing? Shouldn't you be posting some more pictures for us? The ones I saw were absolutely adorable.
Max,
I'm not sure what to make of your last post. I sense some sarcasm, but I'm a little slow sometimes. I usually rely on 4pack to translate the sarcasm for me, she is much sharper than I am. I will admit I am slow on the uptake every now and then and things sometimes need to be spelled out for me to really comprehend them. I have noticed that you have a good sense of humor. I'm trying to get a read on you and see where you are coming from.
I will offer my opinion on certain threads based on my experiences. I may be on target or totally off base, I try to keep an open mind and learn form others as well. If you have a different view or experience please let me know, that's what keeps this place enjoyable.
Jim
by MAINLYMAX on 22 July 2010 - 22:07
Banned
by Bonnie blue on 24 July 2010 - 22:07
by Prager on 25 July 2010 - 20:07
Civil is opposite to equipment oriented.
I was always wondering about the etymology of the term "civil". I believe it is like this. Person with equipment is not what regular person in civil dress would wear on the street. In the dog's perception equipment is a "uniform" which should be attacked. Show a sleeve or other equipment to a equipment trained dog and he will get extremely exited because he is conditioned through many repetitions that he will have fun which causes him to have addictive adrenalin rush. This could be in prey or defense. But such dog will not bite for real (without equipment) .
However civil dog is such dog which is trained on command, or through experience to be aggressive towards a person, decoy, crime perpetrator an so on, without this "uniform" of a equipment.
This again can be done in prey and defense. Different dogs have different inherited intensity to display such aggression in prey and defense.
Dogs ability to display civil aggression is extremely valuable and unfortunately it is omitted or even despised by SchH enthusiasts, many breeders, etc..
The value of a dog to be able to work in civil mode is obvious when we want our dog to protect us, our house, our family or to work as a police K9 or area protection dog, etc. Last time I have look I have not seen any hoodlums stealing a car or robing bank with jute sleeve on.
Instincts are hard wired into us, dogs and all animals. There are prey kill instinct, chasing instinct/reflex, territoriality,.......
Drives are urges which are also hard wired, and they make animals satisfy basic bodily needs for survival (fight or flight), food and sex.
These are triggered by motivators, like hunger, thirst, fear.
However animal than has to learn how to use these hardwired instinct and drives to provide for survival, food and sex. Thus how to use instincts is a learned behavior which is achieved through training and other experiences. Thus fear is a response to the survival which trips defnese drive and hunger trips prey drive and so on.
Thus during training we are teaching them if to direct the instincts to the sleeve or person. Thus equipment vs civil aggression. There may be other like animal on animal learned aggression.( Not all animal on animal aggression is lerned)
Prager Hans
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