Aw, crap...pano! - Page 5

In all my 60 years of owning Dogs a lot large breeds none got Pano from Eating Kibble The thing to day is what Kibble you feed and how much that keeps a dog healthy, Thats for us who cannot afford to feed Raw or do not want too
Steve1

I learned this morning that Axel's uncle also had pano and he was raised on a raw diet so that pretty much puts that myth to rest.

Well, at least it shows that it's not a bullet-proof theory.

I have breed many litters and only one was diagonised as pano from a vet who charges a lot of money, the owners called and this is what I told them rest , asprin 81 ml ,put the dog back on the food he left here with. He was 14 mths, his sire 110lbs, so he was growing fast ,10 days later I checked he was just fine. Also watch nail length as they can turn there leg on hard ground and wont say a word but limp like big babies. A Gsd that is really hurt will lay down and stay.Good luck but unless it is a 911, take your advise from here as vets have to be taken with a grain of salt and your money. Pano is growing pains and they do grow out of it.

Vom M
There is no bullet proof theory of feeding Dogs, Regardless of what some say and think
Dogs are Domesticated they are developed by Man, Maybe a very long time ago belonged to the Wolf breed but that dies out with evolution, Some still liken them to Wolves but it is Fiction and silly to put them in the same context,
Feed with what you are comfortable with
The proof is in the pudding if anyones Dog is in good condition and shows it in its natural way it lives looks well Coat is well then keep feeding it the same way this applies to Kibble or Raw feeding
Feeding any animal or bird is the simplest thing ever it is not rocket science
Steve1

I can't and don't believe all a dog needs is some meat thrown to them. Dogs will go for the stomach on a ruminent first, not the meat portion.

Just my 2 cents:  I've had access to sheep/cows/deer (whole bodies) for years (no my dogs don't get to kill my animals) and I find it very interesting to watch them eat it. NEVER have I seen them eat stomach content. Ever.  I found the link to the myth about it very interesting and factual.  However, dogs DO eat grass, and yes, most puke it up, but I think it is important to let dogs eat grass if they want to.

If pano is genetic, I hope folks are considering that when they chose their breeding dogs.  Sounds like a real pain (har har) and while I have not ever experienced it, if I did, I sure wouldn't breed to dogs which threw pups that suffered from it. I mean, why? when there are dogs out there who don't throw it?  Seems like it should be just one more  thing considered when selecting breeding stock.  As someone who trains and tries to produce dogs which can be used for work or sport, I would NEVER consider  intentionally breeding a dog which was known to produce this issue.  It may be "temporary" but sounds very unpleasant - and sure unnecessary.

Oh, and to add to the conversation, I've never experienced it, but I also feed primarily kibble. (shrugs)

"If pano is genetic, I hope folks are considering that when they chose their breeding dogs. Sounds like a real pain (har har) and while I have not ever experienced it, if I did, I sure wouldn't breed to dogs which threw pups that suffered from it. I mean, why? when there are dogs out there who don't throw it? Seems like it should be just one more thing considered when selecting breeding stock. As someone who trains and tries to produce dogs which can be used for work or sport, I would NEVER consider intentionally breeding a dog which was known to produce this issue. It may be "temporary" but sounds very unpleasant - and sure unnecessary."

It stands to reason that there is some genetic component if for no other reason than its prevalence in GSD's and a few other breeds.  Having said that, I've given this question a lot of thought over the years and can't come to the conclusion that these dogs should necessarily be eliminated from the gene pool.  If the condition was not self-limiting, certainly but teething hurts growing puppies as well and we don't give it a second thought.  I think that if you start eliminating dogs that have pano or produce pano, you probably need to eliminate dogs from any lines in which pano has ever occurred as well and when you start doing that, you'll probably find very few lines left from which to breed.

 Oh good grief. A bit of over-reaction going on here.

I know one woman who SWEARS by prenatal vitamins when it comes to alleviating Pano. Can't hurt to try. FWIW, she's on here and is well-respected and certainly no idiot. I'm inclined to believe her. She also claims, if I remember right, that giving the pregnant bitch a prenatal decreases pano in the pups later on.

I have had it w/one male- a VERY large, SUPER HEAVY BONED dog. 

I disagree with treating it unless a dog is very uncomfortable. I think Rimadyl is more dangerous than a sore leg, and if you have a good working line dog, good luck w/keeping him crated. If the dog is miserable, get a tougher dog. LOL- no only kidding (sort of.) Give him an anti-inflammatory if it is really bothering him, but beyond that, let it run its course. In the past, I let my dog tell me how he felt. If his leg bothered him, he held it up and continued on his merry way. I really think a lot of you are over-reacting. 


NoCurs, what exactly is your background? Your ideas seem a bit black and white and a tad amateurish. 

NoCurs, my dog has it, as had my past male,  but to me it isn't that big of a deal.  He limps slightly, but it certainly doesn't slow him down, and I do not treat for it, never have. They do grow out of it.

 IMHO not a big enough deal to stop breeding dogs that have/produce it.   Good dogs are hard enough to find without eliminating those that acquire Pano.

Hey, Jen!  Where've you been?  I tend to agree that there is a lot of over-reacting going on and very well could have let Axel ride it out...he's stoic enough to have never complained...but why would I?  When I have a headache, I take some Advil; why would I hesitate to use Rimadyl to alleviate my pup's discomfort, especially when I have never experienced an adverse reaction in any of my dogs, ever...it's safer than aspirin.  Maybe instead of a tougher dog, people need dogs who aren't so overly-sensitive to common, effective treatments.