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Tuff,

You skipped over the questions I had for you, you are really starting to remind me of another here.

So the mission statement should reflect that it is ok to start and push your political viewpoints on this dog forum and then when not agreed by others to spend months attacking these people who disagree with your warped viewpoints on politics so that is ok but somehow this is against the mission statement. What mission statement?

Had alread made my last post But:
I Vote for Hodie.

Ninja,

Plus all these relative newbies agreeing with her like I said the troll MaggieMae has already established other user names and is using them on this thread to further split everyone. And then their is 1 poster here who runs around saying don't do this don't do that but she is doing the exact samething sounds familiar. I am really beginning to wonder this persons true agenda here cause it does not mesh with what she says.

Sock Puppet,

I did miss that.  My assumption would have been that originally, Oli, or whoever set up the guidelines "mission statement" did not anticipate such antics as we are seeing.

I believe it is complete natural to defend oneself when under assault when in the right or wrong.  So for me, being new it is hard to distinguish.  It almost like a judge hearing a case. The parties involved know all the information; the judge only sees what gets revealed - sometimes it the truth, sometimes not.  But only each party knows their full story.

So, good luck.  I'll stick to may training where it can be useful and not waste my time here.

As far as I know you and all good folks here just love to fuss. Or are enemies?

Have at - Go to mutual corners and get ready for another round.

Catch Ya'll Later,
TUFF

BY THE WAY - - -  "THE IDIOTS ARE STILL RUNNING THE ASYLUM"

Tuff,

Do some searches here search words like, politics, n_gger, c-nt, jews and any other nonsense like that and you will see the crap that has been spewed here and the spewers. If you go back and read this stuff you will see and if you are a fair and honest person you will see exactly what somes agenda really is.

Tuff you have that wrong the idiots are looking for their village and the nuts are running the asylum your whole message is wrong.

I want to clarify something. This discussion and what I am asking for is NOT a vote for me vs. MAGs. I am confident of who would win that vote anyway. But that is not the point. The POINT is what do we all want to see out of this forum? 

I know there are many here with whom I have disagreed over some issue. I can think of sueincc, or SP, or Mystere and others. That is NOT the point either. What IS the point is that those disagreements can be done in such a manner that we all know we don't agree and we remain "friends" and we remain supportive and civil. And we know who each other is too!!

We also understand that knowledgeable and experienced people will disagree on some things. For example, I disagree with many on the efficacy of vaccinations, or how one relates to a vet, or about trying to bring some balance into discussions on risk vs benefit or toxicology. However, I understand that someone like Louise P., as an example, has a different viewpoint of vaccinations, and in her experience, she has managed her dogs and kennel in such a fashion that she has every right to feel as she does. We disagree, but we also can remain respectful. Sue or Mystere, as an example, even Slamdunc and I, might disagree on some topic related to how to train a dog to do something. But we remain civil and respect each other. I disagree with Mystere often about certain aspects related to USCA, yet I have great respect for her. I disagree sometimes with how SP goes about stating a given case, but I have no doubt about why he/she feels the passion expressed. I respect him/her.

People like Mags bring nothing here but enmity for almost everyone involved.

This is also not about rookies. I can think of many over the years who have appeared here to come and learn and participate in an honest, meaningful and respectful fashion. There are so many here who make this a worthwhile place. Sunsilver, Starrcharr, Beetree, GSDTravels, Steph, Steve1, Bazza, Ninja, Moons, Yoshy, Hans, Gucci, LAV-K9, DebiSue and oh so many other relative newcomers. Jenni78, Schaferhund and others......the list goes on and on. Many of these people disagree with me sometimes, and some disagree with each other. Some even dislike me and that too is fine. But NONE of them act as does MAGs. This is what this discussion is now about.

The vote, the issue is what you all want of this forum. To hell with TOS that someone wrote who was involved in some of the biggest scams in GSD history (and who was a moderator, furthering her own agenda constantly). This is about how we all see and use this forum. 

There will ALWAYS be disagreements. I will always be direct, and sometimes my directness is taken wrongly. It is rare I call someone a name, but provoked, yes, I can and do. And if someone makes a racist or simply false statement about an issue, yes, I will speak out. What I stand for is a rational, balanced forum where people are not handing out dangerous advice or completely false information. However, how we each view some training device or how we conduct a particular exercise is going to differ.

I am interested, for example, in cross track training and FHTracker disagrees with me on what the dog is actually detecting and following. It is not about, for me, whether I am right or wrong, it is about my trying to do all the research I can on this very interesting topic and discuss it. He/she disagrees based on experience, and so it goes. That does not lessen my respect for him/her.

I think most of the posters here have NO RESPECT for someone who comes here only to constantly cause trouble. I purposely try very hard to not post, sometimes for days, or on threads where MAgs has posted. I try very hard NOT to respond to her baiting. But even that does no good. Others do the same, to no avail. She slams everyone who has anything to say, regardless. She manipulates

Thanks for the info - but if that's the case, and I trust it is - I don't have time for this.

Believe it or not - I am actively training dogs and well having a small breeding program.

Good Luck Sock Puppet.

Hodie,

Very well said and we have had our disagreements and I respect you, we all have differing viewpoints but I think one thing we can all agree is the love of the dogs, well everyone but our resident abuser. I honestly believe Maggie to be a member here from some time ago with an agenda, towards a few long time members. She knows way to much about past things and I am not talking average everyday things that we can all read by doing searches I am talking personel things meant to hurt others. Even she posted that things are not what they seem, I mean how telling is this.




This next statement says a lot about why she is here, remeber these are her words.



Are we not here to learn about dogs.

The End.

"Click"

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