Insane? - Page 5

So much info on the internet is incorrect. Check out the link below. It has a different story on Petey. It also contains a completely false pedigree on Petey.
http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/pete.php#pedigree
The link above, has the Great "Tudor's BLACKJACK" being Petey's sire.  This is a complete falsehood.
Petey's sire was named Blackjack, but a far, far cry from Earl Tudor's BLACKJACK.
 http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=67627

This is Tudor's BLACKJACK
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=15094

What I remember from childhood.  My dad loved the dogs.  Always wanted us to get one like Petey.  Instead we got wonderful mutts that people dropped off over the years since we lived out in the country.  They were awesome dogs to grow up with.  I will check out the links, thanks Abhay.

Tudor was a good looking dog.

Here in the South when I was a kid we had farm dogs that people called "bulldogs" or "catch dogs" "pitts". But they had no resemblance to the PBT, ASBT, APBT, etc.  They were leggy muscular mostly white and had a face that resembled a boxer. The were much more like the American Bulldog of today.

These dogs ran loose on most of the farms along with the collies, shepherds, hounds, catahoulas, and various terriers.  I am sure some misguided people would "pit their dogs" but it was certainly never discussed.  However, your Bulldogs ability to catch a wild cow or hog  brought the bragging rites.  One that we had was named Rebel and he would kill any snake he could find as well as kill any boar coon he could catch.  He was a tough ol' cuss.

These are the "pitts" I remember and love.  NOT these muscle bound blue "beast' that are being placed in a harness and dragging an egomaniac through Petsmart while it tries to get to every poodle, schnauzer, and yorkie in the store.  Well, maybe let them have the yorkie. LOL

So, Am I against all "Bulldogs" no.

Tuff

There are still some very trustworthy bulldogs out there.  This 16yr old belly brother of Gr Ch Chuco Loco, helped raise three of my children.  He has always had my utmost trust.

I think those Pits in the OP are actually pretty cute and the blues tend to be more mild mannered  the Owners  actually seem to take decent photos of them .Genetic clearences are not in high demand in the world of Pit Bulls they are pretty hardy and the leading cause of death by far is PTS either PTSOR or PTS no other choice, I think they even have ''suicide by Cop '' in that breed now

Lief....do you listen to yourself?

The leading cause of death is PTS- hey, maybe that's why shit like they show in the OP shouldn't be bred! Those are not Pit Bulls (which, by the way, is NOT simply a slang term to describe any short haired dog who bites someone- its a real breed, the American Pit Bull Terrier), and their very existence lessens the chances that anything will improve for true Pit Bulls in the future. As long as their are mindless idiots calling those "cute" and "Pit Bulls," the breed is f%&*ed.



Abhay, c'mon now, be fair. He's only 16. Any day now he could decide to turn on you and rip your face off. Personally, every day I wake up and mine hasn't mauled me in bed, I consider a gift.

Abhay,

From what I can see in the photo he looks more like what I remembered. 

The ones around here that are causing the problems have exaggerated features, such as very large heads with bulging jaws.  While very muscular they are also extremely quick, they have extreme dog aggression even to the point people must keep them chained (literally) with logging chains.  And they chain them at a distance from each other that is just far enough that they can't touch noses.

THESE ARE THE ONES THAT KILL AND MAME WHEN THE GET LOOSE or ARE TURNED LOOSE!!!

Again, what we had ran free without incident, unless a stray wandered onto our place then he got his butt sent down the road. BUT NOT KILLED.  UNLESS A COYOTE.

Tuff

There is a book regarding APBT's, titled "Dogs of Velvet and Steel".  The title refers to the way an APBT can be so gentle towards humans, yet be such a fierce warrior.
  In the last 40yrs, the numbers of APBT's and the offshoots, have grown at such a dramatic rate, that the breed has been ruined and out of control.  With the great numbers of these inferior dogs being bred like rabbits, and being in the hands of irresponsible owners who use the media as their training guide, it is a recipe for Disaster.

  Once a person gets bitten by the APBT bug, it often becomes an obsession. Back in the day, APBT Fanciers and owners with multiple dogs, would keep them on chains because it was the best method considering everything.
  Dogs were not chained out of reach to keep them, or make them aggressive towards each other, but rather because they ARE aggressive towards each other.

 Someone who keeps a dog in a 10x12 or even a 6x12 chain link kennel is considered kind. Someone who keeps a dog on a 10 or even 15ft log chain with a good heavy duty swivel on each end, is considered cruel with devious and evil intentions.
The dog on the chain has more room and feels less trapped than the dog in the run, but any dog chained is believed to be abused, or trained to be mean.

 A bulldog will never bite a human, unless the dog has that trait in the womb. There have been literally millions of Pits who have lived on chains. These millions have been dog aggressive, yet the great majority could have never been forced to bite a human, no matter what was done to them.  This human biting trait was never wanted or sought out by true fanciers of the APBT.  With the numbers of Pits and offshoots out of control, this trait becomes more and more prevalent.

The rare trait of gameness is determined in the womb, just as the human biting trait is. One cannot make a dog Game.
Gameness can be tested or measured, but it cannot be bestowed or made.

I agree with an earlier poster who believed a Pit should never be trained to bite a human.  If a Pit or offshoot has this trait inside, it's best to let it remain dormant.  If someone owns a dog with this trait, extreme, extreme measures must be taken to assure such a dog can never get loose from where they are contained.

Responsible owners and fanciers such as Jenni78 and myself, get very upset to see offshoots and freaks bred down from APBT's. We know that with the millions of these dogs being bred out there, great numbers of irresponsible owners come with them.  Put one of these irresponsible owners with a dog who has the human biting trait, and it's a tragedy in the making.

Jenni,

  It's pretty obvious that we are Thrillseekers.  You and I, both understand what a rush it is, to go to sleep at night, and not know if we will wake with a Pit attacking us.  Most people don't have to take care when they open a package of raw meat to cook. If the monsters we keep, get a whif of that meat or God forbid, BLOOD, well as you know, it wouldn't be pretty.
   Just face it.  We are Daredevils. We are Gamblers. Every day of life with such Killers, is just another roll of the dice.

Let me ask you. 

What is the obsession with thugs, gang members, even body builders to want a "strain" of Pit this is grossly muscle bound, has a head like alligator snapping turtle; and they insist on putting them on a harness to which their is no control. And allow themselves to be dragged around by the odd looking "beast"?

Just educate me - I'm not arguing!