shock collars - Page 5

lol I didnt read all the posts.... nice article....
Thanks

Czech,
shocking a dog does not increase drive.

Your right slow and steady wins the race, patience, consistency, and technique.
Corrections are needed but so is positive reinforcement, encouragement.

I would not use one unless I had a severe problem I wanted to stop, thats what they are, remote control stop buttons.

Put one on sometime and take a few hits, see what you think.


Moons.

When is the last time you tried a collar moons?  The new generation of collars like the dogtra, I had to get up to 9 before I could even feel it.  I have been zapped worse at wal-mart by the shopping carts.  Granted if you just jump it up to level 50+ yes it is going to be a bit excessive. 

Michael
You know if some take what i say the wrong way then so be it that i cannot help how others feel that is impossible
I did not reply to Yoshy and it was not meant towards him, and he knows that after replying to my post, normally i put the person s name in front of a post in this instance i did not
But most Guys on here never put a name as a heading and then you wonder why there are some strange comments
I say things it as i feel it so i will not say otherwise just to stay in favour but on the other hand i do not say things just to get the backs up of those who take umbrage sometimes it is what i think
We may all speak the English Language but we also have many definitions of some phases
Regards Shock Collars i am not in favour most times certainly not with a Pup or a young dog that is completely unnecessary for if you need such a device at a young age then best give up the Dog and buy a softer natured animal one with out any amount of drive or ability to need such a collar
Of course some older dogs may need one and i think in the right hands could be a useful tool but never on a Pup
Finally i guess in the USA they do many things different to us over here in Europe and that applies to us over here to you folk we too have several things whivch you may find strange, I like to know what goes on over there it is a matter of being inquistive nothing wrong in that and you learn at the same time never too old to learn i say and of course we read things like i said Therapists do you have a Therapist or do you mean Doctor, or both that is one thing which intrigues me
Steve1

I have the same one you have yoschy.  gsdsh3v brings up a very important point.  Most people use the collar at very low levels, you look for the slightest reaction from the dog, we are talking about a slight ear movement, less than a flicker, even a small lick of the lips, that's the reaction you are looking for,  that tells you the dog feels the collar, and that's the level that it is used at primarily.  It's a tap, not a slap or a punch.  I think this is what people who do not use e-collars do not understand.   This is the method used by my European friends and my American friends.

I would like to think of it as a "tool" for problem solving.  I do not want the dog to live in the e-collar, but there are times; especially with the german shepherds that you need to use one.  Some training problems need to be solved ASAP and the e-collar in definitely helpful, no non-sense and very effective, however, TIMING, is essential to success.  They need to understand the collar.

I use the Tri Tronic 500 Pro to teach my dogs distance between themselves and astrayed hunters. My dogs run lots of woods around here and I CAN NOT allow them to just run up to a lost hunter in the woods who strayed onto my property.

The E Collar I used to teach a 100 yard distance at all time between my dogs and the lost hunter. I also used the collar to teach > once a hunter is found to ring the bell. I have those big old dinner bells all over my property, when one of my dogs finds a lost hunter they are to keep quiet and go ring the closest dinner bell. Usually when a lost people hears a dinner bell in the middle of no-where they follow it. My dogs will lead them to an out shed with an intercom to my house. The E Collar helped me do this from far away on a training day with hunter help. It took one day to teach this to all my dogs. Rarely having to use the "shock" ... and when I did it was to re-establish the distance between the dog and the hunter.

I CAN NOT allow my dogs to just run up on a lost hunter with a gun. Hunters get lost all the time ... usually only wanting help to get back to their vehicles. So, feelings must be mutual around here.

I agree with the other posters, you need to learn how to use the E Collars before you use them wisely. I went to a clinic at the Pro Bass shop when the TT guys were there, they tought us how-2's and how-not's.

I would like to think of it as a "tool" for problem solving.  I do not want the dog to live in the e-collar, but there are times; especially with the german shepherds that you need to use one.  Some training problems need to be solved ASAP and the e-collar in definitely helpful, no non-sense and very effective, however, TIMING, is essential to success.  They need to understand the collar.

"Most people use the collar at very low levels, ....It's a tap, not a slap or a punch."

I agree with you, sueincc, but it's the people like SitasMom, who use it to fry dogs as she writes, "dropped him to his knees about 3 times" that are what people remember.  Lord knows if I saw that I wouldn't forget it.  I can't imagine frying a dog as tough as a GSD to make it literally drop to its knees 3x.

Steve1 , I meant nothing by my post other then to explain why some reply to you in  a defensive manner. Your right even the English language spoken by different people in different countries can be taken in a  manner other then intended. I wasn't attempting to chastise you but to let you know why this sometimes happens.As for a therapist most citizens of the U.S. don't have one and might not know if they needed one.As for myself I have never had one and could not afford one if I did. Regarding the ecollar, complete agreement with you on the use on puppies and young dogs, but it has it's rightful place in training if used properly and appropiately. I can't understand why anyone would think it anymore barbaric then use of a prong or choke collar, as someone stated earlier I'd much rather feel a small tingle then a snatch  on a chain wrapped around my neck. I                                                                                                           Michael