RSV2000 - Page 5

Hi Kim, Hi Gustav,

last time I checked, the SV does hold since years a mayor event in Baunatal for the "workingdog" enthusiasts. You are right, maybe the SV should have put more effort into certain things, oh well, I have not yet heared that somebody claimed the SV and their decisions are flawless all the way around. Fact is, and I believe nobody will be able to prove me otherwise, the SV did spend a fortune on research and mantaining the breedbooks. Without this tremendous effort, we would not know as much,as we do at this time. This knowledge is readyly used by many peopel, and also is & will be the foundation of the RSV2000. And yep, I am most certainly with you, some things do stink. When breeding is taking the turn to be only about revenue, it is quite easy to loose focus of important aspects. And yes again, maybe the "show" peopel do put a lot of attaintion into the "looks" of their dogs, neverless, the dogs still have to meet the set standart. As far as I know this very same standart will also have to be obeyed by the RSV2000. Personally, I like to see a good dog working, whether it be a "show" or "workingline", I could not care less. The point is, just because a dog is "grey" does not make it any better in any venue. I have seen much crap in both camps. Annother big point is, just how much workability & drive do we really need in this time & age ? It is always said that the GSD is in declining numbers in the Police Force, well to be honest, if the Police would set up their requirements a little different and pay a adaquate price, there would be more peopel working towards that goal.

Last, but not least, even RSV2000 breeders will have to sell their pups. Not all of these pups will be superior, just as they are not under the SV breeders. That is a fact, that will probably never change. All healthproblems are to be taken serious, but to think that we will be able to eliminate them all, is a nice wish, but wont happen. Also I do believe that no breeder, breeds with the intension of having sick pups. Some things are just there, sad and heartbreaking, but they will not vanish completly. And believe me, when the first male in the RSV2000 is placed and ranked as top notch, he will be used at stud in no time, making a nice chunk of money for his owner. Time will tell if the RSV2000 will be able to eliminate the greed of mankind, to be honest, I believe this to be annother nice wish.

Regards Ulli

Thank you Gustav
Just my words, and i can see no further reason to continue this as it leads nowhere.

Kim

HI Gustavs,
first I would like to apologize to you, my english is not as good as I wish it to be, so sometimes my points may not be as clear as I wish them to be. I am very certain, that you will give me a break for that. Thank You.

You are right, this whole s**t started when the split of "working" & "show" took place. These 2 camps drifted apart, not only in the apearance of our dogs, but by their members. Many small groups, many different aproaches were taken. The "show" peopel complaint about the "ugly" apaerence of working line dogs, the working peopel about the lack of drive in the show dogs. And the SV kept on sleeping, for what ever reason, instead of  putting this whole ballony to a stop. So this continued, each camp basicly did their own thing, but they were still all under the umbrella of the SV. The seeds for this splitt, were put into the ground a long time ago, but still nobody saw it coming.

With forming the RSV2000, and maybe something good will come from this, it is not, this is MY personal opinion, about this or that change in the aproach of breeding practise, it is more like satisfiying the ego of some. Now, I dont want to kick of a fight, there were just too many things that went wrong between Dr. Raiser and the SV. I am far away from saying it was all Dr. Raisers fault, nor I will ever doubt the expertise of Dr. Raiser, but mistakes were made from both sides. At a certain point, it was plain simply not possible for any side to reason with any argument anymore. I pretty much followed this whole ordeal over the years, and frankly, I was buffeld to see this much ignorance on both sides.

Kim, if I offended you in any way, please accept my apology. That was, at no time, my intension. Actually, I thought it to be a quite good thread, at least it stayed civilized and without profanity and cursing.

Once again, time will tell if the RSV2000 will have the better aproach for it all. As I pointed out in a different thread, I belive you guys to be very dedicated and for that, I bow to you. It takes a lot of work and dedication to get to the point you are at.

For me, I will stay where I am at. I know that, even if it is considered to be puplic knowledge now and of free use to everybody, the SV was the pushing power to invest in healthscreenings, funding research and mantaining breedbooks. I will give them credit for that. After reading a couple of  webpages from the RSV2000 I saw no mentioning of those achievements, just about how bad the SV was, in the dealings with certain members. Even for that I have a certain understanding, but to continuosly point out how bad everything is in the SV, and at the same time to use everything that was succesfully develloped by the SV, oh well, each single member has to decide, if he / she can reason with that.

Kim & Gustav - Peace !
Best Regards Ulli