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by anvardean on 13 March 2009 - 20:03

Mr Bob:
If you have a true sport dog, I do mean a true sport dog, a dog that only trained for competion, I guarannteed you that that dog will not react to the real world

by Bob McKown on 13 March 2009 - 20:03

I don,t train for 100 points, I train for my dogs to know the difference... What is good for the points or sport is not always good for the breed.

by Bob McKown on 13 March 2009 - 20:03

If it helps I think of my dogs as triathalon competitors not specialists they should do well at all tasks if possible.

by anvardean on 13 March 2009 - 20:03

So what you say your dog would attack on command out in the real world if the occassion arise so you just hope that might happened? I have many dog and only one of my dog will do the task cause he's my personal protection dog, trained specifically for that purpose. It would not do well in trial but it do what is ask of him in the real world.

by 4pack on 13 March 2009 - 20:03

It is very clear that most of you here want everything in a dog, Show Dog, Sport Dog, Civil Dog(real life police dog) etc... This I can tell, it will not be popssible!!! Sport Dog are trained to bite hard yes hard but won't bite if they don't see sleeve, bite suit etc... Once convert into civil dog, it will be too much liability on the field, dog does not knows or differ.

You guys also need to know that the training for those top VA dog are solely purpose to have a title i.e. Schh1-3, no more no less, once it got the high rate in show, that dog would never need to do anything but stud or produce baby, For the real sport world , youo need constantly train your dog to perform as "perfect" as possible to acquire the high score. So you all need to have a clear distinctive aspect of what you asking for. The best VA(show) dog can perform the task but does not need to. Hope you see the point.

Perhaps the most retarded posts I have EVER read here. Dogs don't know the difference? Why can I go from suit back to sleeve and my dog doesn't bite the decoys armpit where he targets in a suit? The same dog will bite a hidden sleeve where he sees no equipment, how is that?

You guys, we should all just pack up our working dogs and send them away because SL dogs are so much easier and bring a bigger profit! I bet non of you knew that already. anvardean just showed us the light!

LMFAO Can you just hold a big sign up above your head that says, "I'm selfish and lazy"?

by Bob McKown on 13 March 2009 - 20:03

I never hope that might happen I hope it will never happen, But I don,t believe that I can,t trust the dog to know the difference He will attention and bite what he is directed to on command. or if defense is needed.

by Christopher Smith on 13 March 2009 - 21:03

Anvar, you obviously have very little personal experience with working or sport dogs. And from your post here I am pretty sure you have never titled a dog in your life. But lucky for you I live in your area and can give you some experience. We can have a training session together. I have access to a warehouse and we can meet there. You sign a release of liability and go into the warehouse. I will then send a sportdog into the building to find you. How’s that sound to you? Then you will have your own personal experience to speak of and can stop parroting shit you have heard.

by Bob McKown on 13 March 2009 - 21:03

anvardean:

My freind, I will agree that the German Shepherd dog can be specialized in many working enviroments and will excell greatly in each that he is soley trained in, but I believe his show line dog does a dis service in most part because he is not breed to be a utility dog and the dog should excell at his specialized training yes some show lines dog can work no argument here but what is the percentage?

by VonIsengard on 13 March 2009 - 21:03

Bob said: "I don,t train for 100 points, I train for my dogs to know the difference... What is good for the points or sport is not always good for the breed."

I couldn't agree more.

I have to say it's disheartening seeing excuses made for lackluster performances by showline dogs. Just stop, please. It doesn't do showline dogs or the people who love them any favors. They don't perform because they aren't trained to? Well, thank you for that pearl of wisdom, we had no idea.

How about if people who insist that showlines can work well actually take one and do it. THEN you will have some walk to back up your talk.

I personally am done with the work/show debate. It's been beaten into jelly. The only way for me go gain some grudging respect for dogs I love is to go out and do well with one of my own. Anyone want to talk my fiancee into letting me get one more dog?

by anvardean on 13 March 2009 - 21:03

Mr. Christopher,
For your info, I do work in the ring sport and also own a KNPV dog. So, said not what you don't know! As for all, I do speak for my own experience and with my own judgement from what I have observed. I have seen many show that work great and also see many show dog that does not work great. But for fairness, I think ALL gsd have somekind of workabilty in them if they were raise in the RIGHT environment from when they were few weeks old. I love working dog and I love showline dog. They both serve their breeding purpose!

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