Do you train the "prey shaking" out of them? - Page 5

"I've been told they are awarded more points for a calm grip instead of a "prey shaking monster" as my friend said, but I personally would prefer a dog who brings a fight to the helper."

Here's a little clip of a great dog that put the head shake in while on the bite. "Falk von den Wolfen"  Click on the link of his brother Cherokee and go down the page and click the link under Falk protection 2004 BSP. With a score of 99 out of 100 at the BSP I'd say the judge like it.

http://www.shepherdglenk9.com/_cherokee_.html

I imagine it,s personnel preference but in my opinion the out tells the story after the drive. 

ramgsd thanks for the link.  And cledford Anubis is vocal pretty much in whatever we do.....he's just a vocal dog. At the store the other day he wanted to keep walking around, he isn't the puppy that likes to sit still and not be doing something, so he started being vocal about it lol. Not in a bad way, but he also gets bored very easily.   He doesn't always whine when getting the tug though.   If I remember correctly though, aren't a lot of Tiekerhook dogs extremely vocal? don't some of them whine/ growl on the sleeve, like Nick vom.....however you spell his last name the sire of Max van Tiekerhook.  Some of the others I've seen I thought I remember then whining when doing work, or just being vocal dogs period.

i have seen a cougar kill a rabbit no shaking is rabbit bigger then the cougar,i also have seen tigere kill a deer and no shaking is tigere bigger than the deer or theother way around.do not think it has to do with the size what so ever.like i said before most of what we talk about is subject to personal likes and dislikes and judges are no different,also just because Helmut Rieser like something does not make it right or wrong it just means that he likes it that way and and also just because he knows more than you and me,the simple fact remains that he does not know every thing and that is good enough reason to question some one knowledge and philosophy,or technique best way to learn.shaking is only bad when it is hectic and every one here should know what a hectic shaking is and what is shaking that Helmut Rieser speaking of.that shaking if  you have seen Fero's vedio,or his son Troll then you know the difference and if you still do not get it then God help you. have a nice one.

Held, you make an interesting point about suffocating. Which leads me to my next thought..

Does everyone not think that dogs know the difference between prey and people? I mean, seriously....are human beings natural prey for canids, wild or domestic? "No" is the correct answer to that question. I further believe a dog (or any other predator who is HUNGRY and in TRUE "prey" mode) inherently knows the best way to kill what he needs to kill and eat.

I like fight. I like a dog who is smart enough not to bother sucking on a sleeve when the guy wearing it isn't doing anything.  Shelley, it sounds like I would like T.

I think judging vocals on a small puppy no one but the OP has ever met is pretty ridiculous. Weak nerves? B/c he whines? C'mon. No one's ever seen a dog whine b/c they wanted something? Puh-leeze!

Jenni78  good points, and I too couldn't understand how it's weak nerves. I mean I've seen dogs whine for food....did they have weak nerves because they whined since they couldn't get the food, obviously not, they just really wanted that food.  What do you guys think about this though. He wants the prey object, chases, does whine when he can't get it.....but he doesn't care to hold on to it that long. We can run around with it if I have his leash on him, and he holds it in his mouth.   I know Mambo has produced quite a few "real dogs" doing police work, personal protection, schH, PSA, and other various work and I hope to also to SchH and personal protection.....if all goes as planned..

"A lot of Fero progeny had that whining and head shaking when engaged in a full genetic grip" by gustav

You 100% right once again. My female, and her littermate, both shake the hell out of the pray item, male becomes vocal female well we call her silent killer lol because she dose not like to bark if there is no need for it, she will still destroy the decoy. Shaking head has nothing to do with week nerves. And yes Gard is right it can be taught but only to the right kind of dogs, they have to have it in them to begin. Full calm grip, if that's what you like go for it, but I was never hit by any one in the face calmly and got knocked down, full grip sure every dog should have it, but not calm he better want to rip your head, arms and legs off your body. Shaking show a desire to destroy, to kill. Natural act of any strong dog.

So guys, this is what I was told to do by my friend Krista Wade who has titled many dogs, trained police dogs, narcotics, and helped others get titles on their dogs, ect ect.

Hes to young to worry about the tug other than how he just plays with it naturally.  He still has teething to go through and he will not want to bite when his teeth are sore.  I wouldnt worry so much about the biting until he is done teething.  Work on his prey drive to chase the toy hold it and dont play with him to long or make the fight to hard.  If he has a natural girp it will be there no matter what you can only make the grip worse by doing to much at a young age.  If the grip needs work then you can start after the teething is over.  Remember go slow.  YOu can mess it up by going to fast.

Isn't that pretty much what I said? 

Vickie
www.PowerHausKennels.com

She said to work on the grip only after teething, your post talked about even before teething. Or did I misread it?