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by eichenluft on 11 March 2009 - 13:03
I like that picture Shelley - so you're going to the SS after all? I wish you and everyone else attending and competing the best of luck and a great weekend for all involved.
molly
USA Northeast Regional Breed Warden
by Mystere on 11 March 2009 - 16:03
Quote by Baldursmom:also agree with you, they should continue the Open Class for at least 2-4 years olds to keep us HOT trainers in the loop. I think the entries and the attitude prevents a good turn out and it is a cost savings for USA and WDA. They still have to take
Let me clarify. I don't propose that 2-4 year olds be allowed in Open in the SS. I propose that dogs that are over 24 months without a title be shown ONCE-whether in the SS, or a club show. ONCE for life. After that, they must either be titled, or not shown at all. Seeing the same 3, 4 5 and 6 year old untitled dogs in shows year after year is ridiculous and a travesty.
Let me clarify. I don't propose that 2-4 year olds be allowed in Open in the SS. I propose that dogs that are over 24 months without a title be shown ONCE-whether in the SS, or a club show. ONCE for life. After that, they must either be titled, or not shown at all. Seeing the same 3, 4 5 and 6 year old untitled dogs in shows year after year is ridiculous and a travesty.
by Baldursmom on 11 March 2009 - 16:03
Thats why I think it should be limited to the 2-4 year olds. or even 3. They would not be shown more than once or maybe twice in the time frame. Gives those with dogs born late in the year a little extra time and hot trainers some extra time too. Maybe you are right with the one time thing, just being generous on my part and taking into account the travel ect. Maybe require some justification on the lack of title.
I would give up in the local shows with an untitled dog at 3 or 4 years old anyhow!
I would give up in the local shows with an untitled dog at 3 or 4 years old anyhow!
by ShelleyR on 11 March 2009 - 17:03
I like Nia's idea. We don't have the assembly-line titling opportunities here in the US that they have in Europe. I for one do NOT like to push a young dog to get titles before age two, Korung right after. We all know 2 year olds don't do so well in the working dog (males at least) classes till they have at least the SchH 2, which adds pressure to rush, depending on what time of year the dog was born. The environment of a major show is virtually impossible to duplicate at home, club-level training & events. Why exclude a good young prospect, and his/her owners, from the EXPERIENCE of the Sieger show ring before he/she gets the titles? Lets face it. Its EXCITING to have a dog entered in the sieger show! we want to bring more new people into the sport. whay not continue the Adult Class program, if only to promote the experience? Its not like the organizing clubs can't use a few more bucks from those entries. I've been known enter just to give a couple Junior Handlers a few points.
Hell, if it weren't for the introduction some years back of the mandatory BH, a lot of clubs nowadays wouldn't be able to afford to host a trial event. Those BH-only-no-farther dogs and the Adult Untitled classes in shows allow us to bring a lot more people into the sport. Some of them are bound to get "the bug" and stay in the sport for life, with the dog they showed up with and/or others in future.
I am all about bringing new people into the sport. we old-timers are dropping like flies.
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Hell, if it weren't for the introduction some years back of the mandatory BH, a lot of clubs nowadays wouldn't be able to afford to host a trial event. Those BH-only-no-farther dogs and the Adult Untitled classes in shows allow us to bring a lot more people into the sport. Some of them are bound to get "the bug" and stay in the sport for life, with the dog they showed up with and/or others in future.
I am all about bringing new people into the sport. we old-timers are dropping like flies.
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by Mystere on 11 March 2009 - 23:03
Baldursmom.
A few years ago, before the economy started going South everywhere but here, we had multiple shows every year. One club had two shows every year, another had at least one show every year and some years two, a third club had a show every year. Other clubs in the area had shows hit or miss. BUT....in nearly each of those shows, for years, one individual entered the same dog over...and over...and over. We watched her age, and remain in the Open class, for about 5 years. Please. That is not what the class was for. If a person wants to just show a dog over and over, without titling, or even trying to title it... well, thatl's what AKC is for!
I agree that there should be a provision for the experience, for both handler/owner and the dog. But, let's be serious. After 8-10 experiences in a year, I'd think that the team is experienced enough to move on. After being shown in Open a dozen or so times the first two years, every time thereafter was being shown to be a loser.
A few years ago, before the economy started going South everywhere but here, we had multiple shows every year. One club had two shows every year, another had at least one show every year and some years two, a third club had a show every year. Other clubs in the area had shows hit or miss. BUT....in nearly each of those shows, for years, one individual entered the same dog over...and over...and over. We watched her age, and remain in the Open class, for about 5 years. Please. That is not what the class was for. If a person wants to just show a dog over and over, without titling, or even trying to title it... well, thatl's what AKC is for!
I agree that there should be a provision for the experience, for both handler/owner and the dog. But, let's be serious. After 8-10 experiences in a year, I'd think that the team is experienced enough to move on. After being shown in Open a dozen or so times the first two years, every time thereafter was being shown to be a loser.
by ShelleyR on 12 March 2009 - 19:03
After time or two for ring experience for my dog I'd be ashamed to enter him/her in the Adult Untitled class again.
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by Mystere on 12 March 2009 - 19:03
So would I!! But, some people apparently really are shameless! I am not kidding, the dog was shown for YEARS in open, and repeatedly each year. No shame, even when I asked, pointedly, "when are you going to title that bitch?"
by Baldursmom on 12 March 2009 - 22:03
I don't beleive I said I was in support of showing an untilted dog for five years straight in the open class. Why all the shouting?
by Mystere on 12 March 2009 - 23:03
Actually, my post was in response to Shelley. See her post right above mine?
I was not responding to you in that instance at all.
I was not responding to you in that instance at all.by Baldursmom on 13 March 2009 - 03:03
Okay, I did not think I had posted anything offensive, basically the same concept, just a different opinion on how long someone should be able to show in the open class. As stated above, once at a Sieger Show is enough, then get on with the schH title. Local shows........some people continue to show to support the club they are with and really don't have the schH bug. They may come along at some time, meanwhile, let them have some fun with there dog and relize the income helps the club out, especailly if they are donating for th trophies! Probably lots of off the wall reasons, but if they are doing that to get trophies to hang place on a mantel to intice puppy buyer's, well that is another story. I perfer to beleive the former, I like to be optomistic about dog people! As you can tell, I am niave but like it that way since it helps me not to judge too harshly.
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