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by Jeevs on 02 March 2009 - 19:03

Ivermectin  contains macrocyclic lactones which can be fatal to dogs.  I can't believe any of you would skimp on correct treatment for your dogs and put their lives at risk.  How much are your dogs worth to you?  Not enough to get them the correct treatment/dosage apparently.

by Luvmidog on 02 March 2009 - 20:03

GIVE ME A BREAK JEEVS:


All vets prescribe Ivemect for treatment of  Scabies, and red mange and a number of other mite or related ailments.

Who in the world do you think gave us the proper  cc measurements for our dogs..The ingredients in Premeris and Revolution have killed more dogs than Ivemec ever began to.

PROVE IT!!!!!!!

Don't  post such threats and tell us we are not responsible breeders or owners.

Do your homework.

I don't have to ask a Vet.

I have treated horses and dogs for half my life and I am not a teenager.


LMD

by eichenluft on 02 March 2009 - 20:03

That's the key - using the correct dosage of ivomectrin for the weight of the animal - if the dosage is correct, it is safe and effective..

molly

by SitasMom on 02 March 2009 - 21:03

Jeevs

The issue here is the downturning economy......IF a person is laid-off and has dogs.
Options become limited:
skip meals to afford the vet bills and dog heartworm treatments
find a more affordable heartworm treatments
just skip the treatments all together and hope for the best
dump the dogs at the pound and hope someone else can properly take care of them What would be your choice?
  Every time I go to the vet, for a healthy dog check, it ends up costing over $100, +any heartworm and flea treatments. He will not give me heartworm stuff unless he does the blood test - add another $25 to the bill.......

A person on unemployment may have to cut corners for a while.

Ways to cut corners imay nclude supermarket dog foods and table scraps, liquid Ivermec, no more dog toys, no well dog vet checks-ups, no planned litters, etc....Unemployment isn't fun, but it is survivable. 

By having a discussion on less expensive way to keep dogs heartworm free until the economy gets back on track seems only prudent.

Yes I'd rather go to the vet and get the stuff in the exact dose he prescribes, open the little foil packet, ask the dogs to sit and give them each a wonder heartworm treat. I hope I never get to the point where I have to decide these things, but this information is important to know.

Anyone notice the stock market lately.......its tanking again today.....

by eichenluft on 02 March 2009 - 21:03

the cheapest way to administer heartworm preventative is the 1% cattle ivomec - it is liquid - costs about $100 per 100 units (one bottle) but you only give a tiny amount per lbs (ask vet the correct dosage), so it is cheaper than the vet-prescribed pills such as interceptor or heartguard.  You just have to be careful to give the correct amount.  If you are in a state that has "winter months" - ie the temperature drops below freezing and stays there for over a month - then you can save money by not giving the dogs heartworm preventative during the months that are freezing (no bugs to transmit it) and resume dosing as soon as the temp is above freezing again.

I did make contact with one of my vets - he is a large and small-animal vet who owns/operates three hospitals - one equine/bovine/etc livestock, and two small animal facilities.  He is my horse vet (also sees my sheep when necessary) and also my dog and cat vet.  I e-mailed him with the questions presented here and received the following answer - brief but informative.

  <me> I have someone asking - can you use ivermectin horse paste wormer for dogs, for prevention of heartworm?  If not, why not?   molly

 <Dr. John Stoner, DVM -

 The easiest ivomec large animal prep to use in dogs is the 1% injectable solution for cattle. It can be given orally.

John

<me> if you did use the horse paste wormer for dogs, how do you know you are dosing correctly ?  Is the ivomectrin evenly distributed in the paste?  Is the paste digestible for dogs?   molly   <dr. John Stoner, DVM> - Quite possibly not which is why I think the injectable for cattle is preferred.

by ask me about my wiener on 02 March 2009 - 23:03

Molly...therefore I now understand WHY you refused to answer my queries...because you couldn't. You failed to prove your point and provide interesting dialogue. You can't prove your point and you are speculating. You can't explain, can't prove it, can't verify, no references, yet consistently and constantly posting that your are right with zero percent credibility on your personal and unsubstantiated opinion post. The fallback position you have taken is that you can't...hence the caveat on a personal and unsubstantiated opinion post. Imagine others now evaluating and interpreting your posts based on opinion and misinformation. Like all your refusals to provide ANY evidence, verification or information when you are found and proven wrong. Your opinion is irrelevant. Asked for facts not opinions, and when you try to explain why your opinion is more relevant then the facts you were asked for, it shows that you do not have any understanding or product knowledge of the product you are so ignorant about and against.

by ask me about my wiener on 02 March 2009 - 23:03

Molly-   Now you have resorted to claiming to post another's opinion? Gee aren't we clever? What's his email address and phone number for verification of his opinion? Sure they will like to know their opinion, from private email is cross posted to a public Internet message board. If such person even exists. How is anyone supposed to know you didn't make this up, which at this point is highly likely. Still and anyway, even if this person did put these comments in your personal email, It is still an OPINION, NOT FACTS!!!!! Were are your facts????? Once again, You failed to prove your point and provide interesting dialogue. You can't prove your point and you are speculating. You can't explain, can't prove it, can't verify, no references, yet consistently and constantly posting that your are right with zero percent credibility on your personal and unsubstantiated opinion post. The fallback position you have taken is that you can't...hence the caveat on a personal and unsubstantiated opinion post. Imagine others now evaluating and interpreting your posts based on opinion and misinformation. Like all your refusals to provide ANY evidence, verification or information when you are found and proven wrong. Your opinion is irrelevant. Asked for facts not opinions, and when you try to explain why your opinion is more relevant then the facts you were asked for, it shows that you do not have any understanding or product knowledge of the product you are so ignorant about and against.

by ask me about my wiener on 03 March 2009 - 00:03

Molly-   On your edited cut and paste job, your vet does not say not to use paste wormer, does he? He just says that he feels and believes the 1% injectable is easier to administer, right?   Also being you want to him-haw around on this, please explain all of the dogs cured of heart worms by using the Zimectrin ivermectrin paste over the last 25 or so years???   This alone also puts your thoughts and opinions in the circular file, wouldn't you say?

by eichenluft on 03 March 2009 - 00:03

Weiner - go ahead and risk your dogs by administering paste horse dewormer for your cheaper heartworm preventative routine (you get what you pay for), since you have never had a problem with it.  FACTS are, you can't know how much ivermectin you are administering by doing so.  There is NO way to tell how much you are giving your dogs by using this method.  And as it's not formulated for dogs at all, You also can't tell if the dogs are even digesting the paste, or if it's going straight through their gut and out the other end.  But keep on using it - I don't care.  I do care that others on this board might take this information and think twice before saving money but risking their dogs.  At the very least, they can listen to neither of us and ask their vets before trying to cut corners.

Recommending horse dewormer is like recommending feeding your dogs cat food or sweet feed for livestock.  Might be cheaper, won't kill them - but doesn't work well in the long run. 

In case anyone other than Jerry is interested, here is the opinion of the other vet I asked about this - Calvin Clements DVM, board-certified vet at 3 practices in the Harrisburg area.

not a good idea - getting the correct dose is not easy and overdosing is very serious! Dose is 0.006 mg /kg PO monthly

 

 

Calvin Clements, DVM

 


Two Moons

by Two Moons on 03 March 2009 - 00:03

Ivermec in the wrong dosage can kill your dog, might take a while but it will for sure kill them.
Horse wormer is for horse's, might be cheap, being a tight ass is priceless.
Take care of your animals, they are not all the same.





 


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