aristianM, I have a proposition for you - Page 5

Your right Beetree. Once again ill try my best to ignore her. I hope she understands.

I have never spoke rubbish, everything i have said about you is TRUE and can be verified by reading all your comments. Thank you Fiona, Kitkat he has not been rude to you as you have never given him a negative comment. I  to had dreams when i was young, all came true, but i did not get there being as vile and arrogant as this young lad. I listened and learned from my peers, i did not always agree, i took the NEGATIVES and the POSITIVES but never once would i have said the things he has said to anyone. He is blind to any negatives on his female, and takes serious offence if you dare say anything he does not like. I truly hope he gets what he wants, but with his attitude his dreams will always be dreams and not a reality. I will leave it to whoever wishes to cater to this wee boys moods and whims, i have better things to do, bye bye. HAPPY HOLIDAYS liz

Aristian, below is some of what you had to say (on page 39) to Silbersee and about the Crufts dogs... oh.. and the judge!

I really hoped that you could/would learn something along the way... we've all tried to help you, we've all offered you advice... when you've asked for it and we've made a real effort to include you on more than one thread.  We've tried to move on... and take you with us!

Anyone considering getting involved with you in any way Aristian... needs to do a little research on this board because you lie often, you blame others for your own shortcomings and you are apparently incapable of making good use of good and honest advice given by experienced people.

Silbersee well atleast my dog isnt a goddamn wobbly hock walker! She is a working dog in a showline body. I know my female doesnt have a superb front but atleast her hind angulation is much better than the dogs in that video and atleast shes not a frog mix and isnt as badly cow hocked as Zamp is! She has a good croup and topline so what if her front is just ok! IMO she is much better than the wobbly hock walkers seen at crufts! Silber Now you say that Zamp isnt a high achiever in the protection field, but he is very beautiful! The founder of this breed had drives, temperament, courage, confidence and defense drives in mind when he made this breed. My female has all. So what is shes not a hock walker and is not as badly cow hcoked as Zamp Thermodos is! My female is still SG rated. But is she a wobbly hock walker? NO she isnt! Dogs like Zamp succeed in looking while running around in circles! But are they actually proper gsds? No they arent! Theyre PRETTY BOYS and thats about it!While flocking and tending and guarding sheep, an imposing goat comes up to Zamp and BAAAM HES GONE RUNNING LIKE A LITTLE PUSSY CAT! Working lines dont do this! They are proper german shepherds! Its because of people like you that this breed is suffereing form immunity disorders, extreme cow hocks, timid and shy personalities, no courage what so ever! etc! And the the judge at crufts is friggin idiot! DAMN HIM! Oh and silbersee any showline can play tug of war with their handler! And a medicore front is a small price to pay! My female has all the desired traits of a true working dog! Has endless stamina and can trot all day long if she has to! Superd prey, defense and fight drive! Hind angulation is good, good hocks are a bit close but are well muscled and do not show an egg beater when moving. She has a good topline and croup. I wasnt asking for a critique I know her strenghts and weaknesses very well now thanks to some local judges who are better the ones at crufts! I just wanted to know whether you guys thought she looked different! God save this breed!

So i still stand my what i said. They wobbly frogs seen is that video, my bitch moves nothing like them! My female has better hocks than the "the famous german dog'' in that VIDEO! I STAND BY ALL THAT I SAID! Oh yes about Terry Hannon, may he go to hell for promoting those wobbly froggy hock walkers! Happy now?

''apparently incapable of making good use of good and honest advice given by experienced people.''

Experienced people like youself and Liz! Hell no i would never learn from the honest advice you give.

I like learning from the top judges in my country. People who are truly experienced.

Cant i be proud of the fact that my bitch has very good working capabilities? Do all German Shepherd have to be couch potatoes like the ones at crufts? If the so called greatest dog show ever you people call crufts is actually as bad as shown in that video, i pity you people!

Ill say it once again, the female does not wobble like the dogs shown in that video!

AristianM,

I am always pleased to see a show line dog that can really work. Do you have any video of your dog working that you can share? I would love to see more show line dogs that can really work, there just aren't that many out there.

Regards,

Dee

Aristian

For a young fellow you have little or no respect for the older generation, That is fine is you think it right,

But you have not been around long enough to tell very experinced  Dog people on this Forum they know nothing or the way you reply to them is a sure sign of  your immaturity, and certainly not about Gernman Shephered Dogs

Me, i can say i know nothing about the qualities of Show Dogs, I have never owned one

But when it comes to Working Line G.S's  i have seen many of the very best least ways over here in Europe, and i still consider myself to be a beginner with Dogs after 60 years of training them in Obedinance etc, now ScHh and Lad i have a huge amount to learn if i am given time to do so

You should give a little to the experience of others and take what they say on board, i do not think anyone including Liz is being nasty to you, just sound advice,

that is the only way to go forewards, because if you do not, then you will surely fail in what you want to do in the Showring or if you go onto the Working Line

Steve

Steve, you are a gentleman, a man of my era. I too admit i do not know tosh about working lines, but i do with show dogs, i do not know everything, and continue to learn daily. Have a nice xmas, and Beetree good post, cheers to you too. liz

Steve if she odesnt show me respect i wont show her respect. She started it even though i was ignoring her!