O/T Presidential Election-Who do you match up with? - Page 5

Babyeagle, the link you provided correctly identifies that interest on the national debt consumes a huge part of our taxes.

Let us look at the growth in the national debt over the past several decades:

Shortly prior to  Carter leaving office, in September 1980, the national debt was approximately $900 billion

Shortly prior to Reagan leaving office in September 1988, the national debt was approximately $2.6 trillion

Shortly prior to Bush 41 leaving office in September 1992, the national debt was approximately $4 trillion

Shortly prior to Clinton leaving office in September 2000, the national debt was approximately $5.7 trillion

Shortly prior to Bush 43 leaving office in September 2008, the national debt was approximately $10 trillion

The national debt under Bush 43 does not include the trillion dollars recently approved for the bail-out and the rescue of AIG.

Republlicans talk a good game about fiscal responsibility and balancing the budget but as shown above, Republican administrations have been responsible for the huge increases in the national debt.

www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt.htm

www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt_histo5.htm

eagle that is funny !

keepthefaith, I understand 100%. But there comes a time when people have to wake up and realize ... something is wrong with the American picture. Until people realize this ... well quite frankly the whole world will suffer.

I think most the reason is because people are apolitical, I don't want to say ignorant .. just occupied with living, working and raising children to know the truth of it all untill the major election, then truely want do what's best for the country trying to understand all the partisan claims and counter claims.

There are 3 issues everyone should understand when choosing POTUS... social policy, domestic policy and foreign policy. In order to choose what's best for this country .. you need to know this country's principles. It's simple.

Then you need to understand Conservatism and Liberalism. Conservatism is traditional in America and want only to conserve our traditions. Again, you need to know this Republics principles to have an educated vote. Liberalism is always voting Democrat, always wanting change, always taking from one to give to themselves useing the government as the collector and distributor. In other words.. always wanting progressive to suit the present. Nothing traditional about it. Liberals will always support abortion, gay and homosexual marriages. America it's self as founded condemns these "choices" and "lifestyles". Hence John Adams quote, "Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." Some people appreciate this, some don't.

Conclusion = Democrats want bigger government and hold the people accountable for everything. Real Republicans are limited government and the people hold the government accountable.

The 2008 Republican and Democratic Election Campaigns including the Constitution Party .. people need to research. The Constitution Party isn't a splinter Party, it's the backup to the real Republican Platform that has been smeared by liberal and democratic ideals to the point of no difference between them. Sad but true. About the only choices we have right now in 2008 to rid us of this hijacked BS peacefully is to vote Baldwin or take a chance on Ron Paul. And to be honest, our government through the republicrat BS became so powerful since JFK, all our votes don't count anyhows. These people are appointed.

Don't worry though, the Constitution and Declaration give "we the people" an almighty 2nd option. 

 ... anyhow 4 horses are waiting, I need to get the truck and trailer ready to load ... hope I get to meet some of you at NASS

Babyeagle, my politics are not easily labelled. I am fiscally as conservative as they come but on social issues I tend to be liberal.

The recent "bail-out" is for me singularly offensive. If businesses screw-up they should go under and if it is imperative that a business is kept afloat then certainly the managment who were responsible for creating the situation should be fired without any severance. If it is legally possible I would like to see some of these CEO's sued by the government to repay the huge payment that they received in compensation even as they ran their companies to the ground.

McCain's plan to buy out the toxic mortgages that are under water - at full face value - and renegotiate the rates with the homeowners is equally offensive. If someone enters a loan obligation and then ends up not being able to meet the payments for whatever reason, it is not the responsibility of the government to rescue them and prevent foreclosure.

In many respects, Ron Paul's views are closest to mine in terms of issues but I would not vote for him because he has no chance to win.

You say that Democrats believe in big goverment and that the Republicans do not. I am sorry but the last 8 years have not shown this to be the case. I am all in favor of cutting taxes but with ONE MAJOR CONDITION - we must reduce spending to correspond with the reduced taxes. We must live within our means both as a government as well as individuals/families. What Bush did the past eight years with huge tax cuts and increased spending, was to double the national debt - to me that is the equivalent of criminal malfeasance.

It is not enough to talk the talk - one must walk the walk as well.

BabyEagle4U, I continue to be impressed with your great understanding of our Constitution. Bill of Rights and the fact we are a REPUBLIC not a democracy (as in demon-acracy).   We need folks like you running for office.   

Anytime the gov't preaches "democracy" or bringing democracy to other countries to "save them" (like our current administration stated as a reason for invading Irag, to bring democracy to the Iraqi masses).  The Iraqis never wanted democracy (which is technically rule by the mob).  Our founding fathers were completely against the concept of democracy. They wanted a truly representative gov't at every level, local, state and federal, and they created protection in the Constitution for State's Rights not to be taken away by the federal gov't.  

http://www.infowars.com/?p=5342

Hmm, I ended up with Bob Barr.   I consider myself very conservative but my McCain matchup is only 1.5% ahead of my Obama matchup.  Republicrats indeed.

It is clear that our politicians at all levels base their decisions on staying in office and maintaining their party's powerbase.  Somewhere, far down their priority list is "for the good of the country".

I see only one solution for me.  From now on, I vote for whomever has the best chance to unseat the encumbent, or his party if the encumbent isn't running for reelection.

keepthefaith, not only during the Bush administration has Government grown, it grew under  papa Bush's administration too, dont forget Reagan and Nixon. Only under Clinton did the size of the federal Government shrink. So much for backward conservatives. Poor guys cling to the past. Conservatives always want to go back to the good ol days, when blacks were not even second class citizens, when women knew their place " in the kitchen". Besides they think, what is wrong with child labor? The good ole days

According to what i saw on the television today,it seems Obama is all set to stop the people carrying guns.

That will not do him a lot of good in the voting poll according to many on this forum who dote on there Guns

But i expect the powers to be heard it wrong or were given the wrong information,

So much for Belgian television if that is correct

Steve

Poor, poor, little liberal Andy. Gosh, the big world has been so unfair to you, hasn't it?

What happened? Did mommy not love you enough? You were never picked for kickball or didn't get to sit with the other kids? What was it? What was it that made you so anti the world? So warped and disturbed? Such a whiney victim?

Barack Obama is a socialist. He is a student of Karl Marxist thinking through and through, even spouting phrases like "spread the wealth around." That is absolutely a socialist comment and anti capitalist in nature. 

Barack Obama is a closet Muslim. He was raised by Muslim men and schooled in an Islamic school. He tries as hard as he can to convince everyone that shouldn't be relevant. It is relevant. Islam and the Muslims are the absolute main source of terrorism and fanaticism in the world today. Ironically, he draws the support of these groups and individuals including Libya and Hamas....the very types of people he tries to deny he's not like.

Barack Obama is a racist. Even though it was his black father who deserted him (big shock there....that never happens) and his white mother raised him, he denounces his white blood in his books and clings to his African blood. Why can't he be both? Does a decision have to be made there? I think he secretly stands in front of mirrors and hates that any amount of white blood pulses through his veins. Hear it in his own voice:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6zM5ldO35A&feature=related

I believe his wife is racist also. Her thesis she wrote seethes with anger. And her comments about being proud of her country for the first time is very upsetting. I believe the Obama's have alterior motives when it comes to race and their feelings against whites. They know they need white voters, but they wish they didn't.

I do not approve of his judgement of relationships with people like Jesse Jackson, a lying race monger. Or Louis Farrakan, a radical black supremacist. Or William C. Ayers, a man who brags to this day as a professor at the University of Illinois about his days setting bombs at police stations, military installations, and the Pentagon. Or his pastor, Reverend Wright, a racist who thinks that bashing the US is what people need on Sunday morning.

It truly saddens my heart to hear some of the things my fellow Americans say today.
As for me, I will "cling to my religion and guns" until this country wakes up and employs common sense again and stops with the infection of "political correctness." This country is not what our forefathers created for us; it has been raped and trampled on by lunatics from every political background.

                                             The anonymous American

steve1, where did you get that idea?  Obama regularly makes the distinction between hunters in rural America and gangs in inner cities, saying the rules surrounding guns shouldn't be the same in both places.  I can understand this.

As someone with a lot of cop neighbors and also a number of cops in our Schutzhund club, I agree with them and support Obama's tightening control on assault weapons.  If you love a cop, you can certainly understand this.

McCain does not approve of a waiting period to buy guns, and he does not support any regulation of assault weapons.  A lot of Americans rethought their position on waiting periods and rules on background checks after the horrible shootings at Virginia Tech last year.