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by Duel on 06 September 2008 - 23:09

The death of anyones dog is sad.

Deepest sympathises to his owners, breeders and handlers

Duel Purpose Kennels

Australia


Videx

by Videx on 07 September 2008 - 00:09

I have known Tom & Julie Bridge for more years than I care to remember, and I am confident they have behaved in an honourable manner in respect of  all dealings connected with Alfons. I totally reject all and every personal attack on them. Whatever the full and detailed facts are regarding any payments and other communications between the partners of Alfons, and it may be that one or both parties wanted to or indeed had terminated the partnership in one way or another. The full facts are only fully known by the parties directly involved. If there is any disagreements between these parties, this board is not the place to resolve or indeed air them. It is also unacceptable to speculate on here about the dogs cause of death, I totally agree with Ansgar that such information is primarily for those breeders who used him, and its up to them to inform buyers of any offspring, if they consider it necessary.


Linda B

by Linda B on 07 September 2008 - 20:09

I think it is very sad that Alfons died at such a young age for what ever reason but what is even sadder is that such a long term friendship has ended in such a manner. I totally agree with Videx that this board is not the place to resolve or air the disagreements between the parties involved but please bear in mind that this thread was started with a statement made by Julie Bridges.


by JudyK on 07 September 2008 - 21:09

I fully understand the sensitivity of an issue between the two parties but perhaps it's time to start airing some of the breed's dirty laundry.  I have to assume from the secrecy of the autopsy results that the cause of death was possibly genetic.  I can't imagine that a dog dying in a car accident would be kept secret. 

Given the recent dismal run of health problems in the breed isn't it time that we all stop hiding these issues  so that breeders can make informed decisions about what dogs have the best health record and which do not.  If that was my dog and he died of bloat I sure would want people to know so that those who had offspring would be aware of the potential risks down the road.  And if it was bloat then it didn't originate with that dog but if enough information starts to be aired then some informed breeding decisions can be made for the health of the breed.

I don't know what the cause of death is with Alfons and I'm not saying that it's genetic but what else can I think when the veil of secrecy won't be lifted except to those owners who have litters from him. 


Rugers Guru

by Rugers Guru on 07 September 2008 - 21:09

JudyK, I completely agree, well said.


by Louise M. Penery on 07 September 2008 - 22:09

I agree with much that Judy has posted. Our concerns have nothing to with the business arrangements and the friendship between the two parties.

Our concerns have everything to do with the dark, unspoken breed (usually relating to health) issues--dirty laundry, skeletons up close in the pedigrees of so many of our dogs.

My greatest personal reservation about Alfons is that his maternal grand dam is a daughter to Wallace Agrigento. Within recent years, two young Wallace sons have died at about the same age that Alfons died: VA-1 Hooper Rohberg and VA Alf Wilhendorf. Given the ages of these dogs, we have reason to suspect bloat as the cause of their deaths. 

There are other Wallace sons living in the USA. Would you wish take the risk of breeding to them? Another Wallace son about which I have reservations is Lauser Emkendorfer Park who has produced strength of character issues as well immune-mediated deficits.

Without complete transparency, neither our breeders nor potential GSD buyers may make educated decisions as to which dogs should be considered suitable for further inclusion in the GSD gene pool. As long as there remains a veil of secrecy surrounding Alfons' death, we have little choice but to assume that he died due to heritable issues

 


Uber Land

by Uber Land on 08 September 2008 - 02:09

Judy/Louise, I agree with both of you.  not until people become more willing to post the reason for some of these young males death's will we ever make any improvements in the breeds health.  even if some problems aren't "genetic" alot of these dogs pass the "predisposition" to have these problems.


by Preston on 08 September 2008 - 05:09

Louise, you make very good points.  I was once told by a well known German breeder that Wallace's sire, Scott Deodatus died of gastric dilation/torsion.  If this is true then it is important because there is substantial anecdotal and selective breeding evidence by experienced and successful GSD breeders that gastric dilation with torsion and subsequent early death is highly heritable (regadless of what many on this board like to claim).


by Louise M. Penery on 08 September 2008 - 06:09

Preston: I was once told by a well known German breeder that Wallace's sire, Scott Deodatus died of gastric dilation/torsion.

I've heard much the same thing about Scott --many years ago. I was hesitant to post something that might be regarded as "hearsay" by many.

OTH, based on my experience with AKC bloodlines during the 60's throught the 80's, I have observed a heritability correlation with bloat, toxic gut syndrome (torsion at the mesenteric root), and EPI.


by F.W on 08 September 2008 - 08:09

I agrre this is something between them and not for us to make comment on this.

What i don't understand is why get the male always the blame what about the female. There are always two involved with the mating.

So she can be also the factor in this.






 


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